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Westministenders: Happy Xmas (War is Over) - if only

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RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 14:00

When is lying not lying. When you can get enough of your mates to agree it is not lying.

And so we have David Davis, who has made two statements to parliament which deliberately contradict each other and must constitute some sort of lie to parliament at some point however you cut it.

Will the Speaker risk the wrath of his party to uphold democratic values? We watch carefully.

Davis also reveals and exposes May too though. May one way or another is complicit in Davis’s lie, either through not doing her job in reading the reports or by protecting Davis when she knew the reports did not exist. This is gross misconduct in her inability to ensure her staff do their bloody jobs. All so she can keep her own job.

This is where whistleblowers in other institutions pop up.

It has also become apparent that May has not had THE conversation with the Cabinet over what shape Brexit should take. After 18months.
Why not? Is she incapable of consensus building or is she just incompetent?

And then we have the DUP seemingly not being properly being involved in the wording of the all important document.

Vote Leave’s Oliver Norgrove is perfectly right in saying that Hard Brexit is all but dead. Don’t let that make you feel happier. Hard Brexiteers know that there only option now, is No Deal and that’s what they will try and pursue.

There is no deal until everything is settled. Right now, nothing is settled, not even what the UK want out of Brexit, never mind the EU position.

May might well have blown the only opportunity for a deal too, because of her failure over NI and the DUP. Where does she go from here? The idea that she will stand up to anyone, is ludicrous given her track record.

We might all wish we could John Lennon's song was apt when it comes to this Christmas and Brexit, it seems the war for our future post Brexit, it seems it is only just starting.

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HashiAsLarry · 13/12/2017 19:34

I have an advent calendar surplus Grin.

I am also defiantly eating Irish Stew

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:36

Nick Robinson‏ @bbcnickrobinson
Could tonight's Brexit defeat in Parliament open the way to the Wilson option for Labour - ie reject Tories deal with Europe & run for election on promise to renegotiate it with referendum on any new deal ?

Tom Newton Dunn‏ @tnewtondunn
On the eve of an EU summit, this is a very big deal. Is the EU now negotiating with Parliament not Theresa May? Big humiliation for her.

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RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:37

Laura Kuenssberg‏ @bbclaurak
Hearing 12 Tory rebels

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 19:37

What a day!

Faisal Islam
@faisalislam
Understand it is 12 Tory rebels
Grieve
Clarke
Morgan
Stevenson
Neill
S Hammond
Heald
Soubry
Wollaston
Djanogly
Sandbach
Allen

woman11017 · 13/12/2017 19:38

Clip boards, pens and badges folks. Thanks red for keeping us going.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 19:38

Would it be weird to email them with my heartfelt gratitude?

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:39

Faisal Islam‏ @faisalislam
- Stevenson a new name here - will be a big worry for Whips - though he has clearly signalled in PArliament he is worried, he has told of a cancelled tyre factory in constituency, because of investors pulling out after Brexit - suggested looking at Efta/EEA

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squoosh · 13/12/2017 19:39

What a day indeed. Between this and Alabama, well it hasn't been too rubbish.

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:40

No Pain. No it wouldn't be weird.

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borntobequiet · 13/12/2017 19:41

I'm emailing, right now.

woman11017 · 13/12/2017 19:43

Skinner voted for it. I wrote to him too. Job one done, now let's finish this off folks. Writing to them all is a great idea. Clarke and Grieve were brilliant. Lammy is a star.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 19:43

Excellent! Will get on that once Dc are in bed.

Beth Rigby
@BethRigby
Govt statement on defeat; Assurances obviously not strong enough....

Westministenders: Happy Xmas (War is Over) - if only
BiglyBadgers · 13/12/2017 19:45

Well, what a day for unexpected victories. Woke up to Doug Jones winning Alabama and going to bed with the amendment getting through.

A good day all in all. Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 19:45

The last time I felt this hope (other than this morning with no more Moore!) was when the exit poll came back with a hung parliament. It feels strange but I’m soaking in it tonight

Cailleach1 · 13/12/2017 19:46

Will forgive Grieve for not dipping his toe in before. This a good one.

BiglyBadgers · 13/12/2017 19:47

Lammy is a star.

I confess I have developed a bit of a crush on Lammy. He really is a star and always speaks with such passion. Blush

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:48

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3112199-Westministenders-Rebel-Rebel-Your-Brexit-is-a-Mess
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Sam Coates Times‏ @SamCoatesTimes
Hearing Stephen Hammond - a leading Tory rebel in tonight's vote - just sacked as a Vice Chairman of the Conservative party.

Number 10 is no longer in listening mode

and

Faisal Islam‏ @faisalislam
The point is - for anyone watching the Commons regularly - the mood of the House is changing subtly - John Mann, impeccable Vote Leave credentials also come out for Norway/ Switzerland option

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woman11017 · 13/12/2017 19:50

Next:

Greenwich for Europe‏ @GreenwichInEU

We are happy that Amendment 7 has been passed, & that Parliament will have a meaningful vote on the Brexit deal.

Another key vote, on amendment 120 that calls for a public vote on the deal, will take place on Weds 20th.

Start lobbying MPs to vote in favour of A.120 NOW. #FBPE

lalalonglegs · 13/12/2017 19:50

Just heard - so happy. Will leave analysis to those with more insight but Gin all round!

Cailleach1 · 13/12/2017 19:57

The way information has been imparted surrounding Brexit is mindbogglingly inadequate.

Industry hasn't received any answers from the gov't about how trade etc. will continue with the EU (and others with which there are MRAs etc.) on Brexiting. The UK will be a third country before discussions and negotiating any future trade deal. Who is in charge? Why isn't it out there about possibility of falling between two stools? David Davis is being duplicitous with his bumbling about how he can do deal with Berlin, in my humble opinion. After hearing Barnier (who he used to work with) say DD knows very well how it works, it can only mean he knows how it will be but is covering up so as not to frighten the horses before Brexit.

Did Nick Timothy, Fiona Hill and some underwhelming legal advisory draft the letter invoking article 50? Out of everything, even Euratom.

Now they want to cherry pick without any obligations.

woman11017 · 13/12/2017 20:00

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Westministenders: Happy Xmas (War is Over) - if only
mrsreynolds · 13/12/2017 20:08

Love that woman

woman11017 · 13/12/2017 20:13

This lad's a star.
I don't know how to post the link, but his film updates on how this has happened, all the grass roots organisations who've done this so far and how. (and are continuing Smile)

Mike Galsworthy #FBPE‏ @mikegalsworthy
Merry Xmas! Govt defeated- on Amendment 7– so Brexit in hands of Parliament, not Executive.

borntobequiet · 13/12/2017 20:15

Weird! Apparently my email undeliverable. But I copied it to my MP, and I have emailed her before. Will resend...

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