Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westministenders: Happy Xmas (War is Over) - if only

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 14:00

When is lying not lying. When you can get enough of your mates to agree it is not lying.

And so we have David Davis, who has made two statements to parliament which deliberately contradict each other and must constitute some sort of lie to parliament at some point however you cut it.

Will the Speaker risk the wrath of his party to uphold democratic values? We watch carefully.

Davis also reveals and exposes May too though. May one way or another is complicit in Davis’s lie, either through not doing her job in reading the reports or by protecting Davis when she knew the reports did not exist. This is gross misconduct in her inability to ensure her staff do their bloody jobs. All so she can keep her own job.

This is where whistleblowers in other institutions pop up.

It has also become apparent that May has not had THE conversation with the Cabinet over what shape Brexit should take. After 18months.
Why not? Is she incapable of consensus building or is she just incompetent?

And then we have the DUP seemingly not being properly being involved in the wording of the all important document.

Vote Leave’s Oliver Norgrove is perfectly right in saying that Hard Brexit is all but dead. Don’t let that make you feel happier. Hard Brexiteers know that there only option now, is No Deal and that’s what they will try and pursue.

There is no deal until everything is settled. Right now, nothing is settled, not even what the UK want out of Brexit, never mind the EU position.

May might well have blown the only opportunity for a deal too, because of her failure over NI and the DUP. Where does she go from here? The idea that she will stand up to anyone, is ludicrous given her track record.

We might all wish we could John Lennon's song was apt when it comes to this Christmas and Brexit, it seems the war for our future post Brexit, it seems it is only just starting.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
43
HashiAsLarry · 13/12/2017 17:12

Love this, especially if true

@faisalislam
Labour Remainers suggesting that Tory rebels are staying in the chamber and therefore the whips can not get to them!

Violetparis · 13/12/2017 17:31

BBC News said vote would be between 7.00 and 8.00.

lalalonglegs · 13/12/2017 17:39

They also predicted 308 to 302 in favour of amendment

BiglyBadgers · 13/12/2017 17:39

A brief reflective moment while we wait the inevitable disappointment of the amendment vote

Lord Buckethead’s top 10 political moments of the year (number 1 won’t surprise you)
inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/lord-bucketheads-top-10-political-moments-year-number-1-wont-surprise/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

thecatfromjapan · 13/12/2017 17:45

Even Laura Kuenssberg is finding the bitter demon of hope whispering in her ear against her better judgment:

Laura Kuenssberg. Twitter. "But.....we've been here before and every time rebellion has been much smaller than expected, this does feel different but..."

BiglyBadgers · 13/12/2017 17:48

I just can't see it happening. The Tories will crumble again and settle for unsubstantiated promises from the May and the whips, and of course labour brexiteers will vote with the Tories.

mrsreynolds · 13/12/2017 17:51

Yeah
Agree
😔😡

Holliewantstobehot · 13/12/2017 17:59

I'm not getting my hopes up.

lonelyplanetmum · 13/12/2017 18:05

How ridiculous that we've come to this. I'm checking my phone every 30 seconds just to see if in our parliamentary democracy, due parliamentary process will be 'allowed' to take place, over a decision with vast economic (and other) implications.

How absurd that we've come to this.

mrsreynolds · 13/12/2017 18:07

Hope...
It's a dreadful thing

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:14

Laura Kuenssberg‏ @bbclaurak
Grieve, Soubry, and Clarke have left the chamber to talk to George Holingberry

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:15

George Freeman MP‏ @Freeman_George
Disappointing rejection by @DExEUgov Ministers of pleas from Conservative MPs on all sides of the Brexit debate to accept a compromise amendment to Clause 9. Praying they will signal willingness to table their own amendment.

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:18

In reply to Laura K's tweet about Grieve, Soubry and Clarke:

Sam Coates Times‏ @SamCoatesTimes
Reports suggest it didn’t end in agreement
Witnesses suggest it ended in disagreement

OP posts:
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 18:26

Sam Coates Times
@SamCoatesTimes
I’m told the person playing Santa is Mark Spence, one of the Tory whips, whose been at the children’s Xmas party this afternoon. Some suggest this is a sign of government confidence. I’m not smelling a lot of confidence around but hey...

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:27

Faisal Islam‏ @faisalislam
Chuka Umunna now listing the number of time the eurosceptics have rebelled against the Government...Davis - 90 times, Fox - 19 times, Leadsom - 7 times, Redwood - 17 times Jenkin - 95 times, Cash - 100+ times
“None of these people can lecture people seeking to do the right thing”

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:32

Sam Coates Times‏ @SamCoatesTimes
George Freeman saying he will rebel is bad sign for Government.
14 Tory rebels sitting together on backbenchers which could be enough depending on Labour numbers who vote with Government.

OP posts:
Peregrina · 13/12/2017 18:34

I feel there is nothing left but prayer, and that the right thing for the country happens.

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:36

This is going to be CLOSE.

Joey D'Urso‏ @josephmdurso
We've reached that stage of parliamentary drama where colleagues are watching wide shot feeds of the Commons to work out who's sitting with who, who's talking to who, who's passing notes to who...

I'm STILL thinking, Kate Hoey though.

OP posts:
HesterThrale · 13/12/2017 18:36

My trusty CommonsVotes app is coming in handy again to see who's voting for all these amendments. But I'm looking at individual votes and wondering whether Labour is not whipping very hard. E.g. The vote yesterday on Amendment 49. The Govt. won 312 - 295, a margin of 17. But only 242 Labour MPs voted for the amendment, and there are 259 altogether. (Well 262, but 3 have had the whip removed). If they'd all voted for it, it might have passed. Wonder why some didn't vote?

mrsreynolds · 13/12/2017 18:38

Im an atheist peregrina
But I will give it a go

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:39

Sir Oliver Heald, declaring he will rebel.

Jessica Elgot @jessicaelgot
Looking like this Brexit bill amendment vote tonight is going to be incredibly incredibly tight. 1 or 2 in it...
If the Tory rebels get enough numbers, which they think they have, it will rest on whether Labour definitely gets its numbers together

I fear the reason that the government are not budging is because they have Labour rebels in the bag...

OP posts:
BiglyBadgers · 13/12/2017 18:40

There are quite a few brexiteers/lexiteers on the labour side who either vote with the Government or may have abstained. There is also, of course, always sickness or other things that can keep someone from the chamber. I think Corbyn has a problem with heavy whipping when he has such a long history of voting against his own party tbh.

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:42

Faisal Islam‏ @faisalislam
Sir Oliver HEald, ex Justice minister will also vote for Amendment 7 - did not sign it .. so we are up to 12 declared Tory rebels at least - taking Govt votes down to 302/303

OP posts:
woman11017 · 13/12/2017 18:44

@reform_campaign

COMMONS: EU Withdrawal Bill: Tory MP Oliver Heald joins rebels. "Sad to vote as I'm going to, for Amendment 7."

woman11017 · 13/12/2017 18:44

Yep. 'Kate Hoey' will become a verb too.