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Westministenders: Happy Xmas (War is Over) - if only

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RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 14:00

When is lying not lying. When you can get enough of your mates to agree it is not lying.

And so we have David Davis, who has made two statements to parliament which deliberately contradict each other and must constitute some sort of lie to parliament at some point however you cut it.

Will the Speaker risk the wrath of his party to uphold democratic values? We watch carefully.

Davis also reveals and exposes May too though. May one way or another is complicit in Davis’s lie, either through not doing her job in reading the reports or by protecting Davis when she knew the reports did not exist. This is gross misconduct in her inability to ensure her staff do their bloody jobs. All so she can keep her own job.

This is where whistleblowers in other institutions pop up.

It has also become apparent that May has not had THE conversation with the Cabinet over what shape Brexit should take. After 18months.
Why not? Is she incapable of consensus building or is she just incompetent?

And then we have the DUP seemingly not being properly being involved in the wording of the all important document.

Vote Leave’s Oliver Norgrove is perfectly right in saying that Hard Brexit is all but dead. Don’t let that make you feel happier. Hard Brexiteers know that there only option now, is No Deal and that’s what they will try and pursue.

There is no deal until everything is settled. Right now, nothing is settled, not even what the UK want out of Brexit, never mind the EU position.

May might well have blown the only opportunity for a deal too, because of her failure over NI and the DUP. Where does she go from here? The idea that she will stand up to anyone, is ludicrous given her track record.

We might all wish we could John Lennon's song was apt when it comes to this Christmas and Brexit, it seems the war for our future post Brexit, it seems it is only just starting.

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prettybird · 13/12/2017 19:16

Yesssss!!!! Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 19:16

Robert Peston
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Oof. Tory rebels narrowly beat government. There will be a meaningful parliamentary vote in the form of a vote for or against a statute on the terms of Brexit. Or so cheers in Commons indicate

HashiAsLarry · 13/12/2017 19:16

309 to 305 in favour

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:17

Sorry, I got it wrong!!!

The Rebels won!??

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HashiAsLarry · 13/12/2017 19:17

Thank god/fuck/whatever

mrsreynolds · 13/12/2017 19:17

What's happening!!!!!??

HashiAsLarry · 13/12/2017 19:17

rtb I initially thought that too. Scrolled up on screen as vote in favour then the penny dropped!

prettybird · 13/12/2017 19:18

Government loses by 4.

Such a shame Wink

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:18

Wow!

I was soooo expecting the worst!

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 19:18

Is it really true? I can’t bring myself
to believe it

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 19:19

!!!!!

pointythings · 13/12/2017 19:19

Guardian front page says rebels win by 4 votes. Yay!

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:19

Laura Kuenssberg‏ @bbclaurak
Rebels and labour both thought they had lost !

So wasn't just me.

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mrsreynolds · 13/12/2017 19:21

When do we get to know names??

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:21

Nick Gutteridge‏ @nick_gutteridge
Yikes. This means May cannot 100% guarantee to EU leaders that she'll be able to deliver on any deal she secures with them. They won't like this one bit.

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HashiAsLarry · 13/12/2017 19:21

I'm re-reading it over and over again.

Government has been defeated in HoC over an amendment calling for the final Brexit deal with the EU to be approved by statute passed by Parliament.

Nearly wrote statue.

Now division for 30 - removes proposed capacity of ministers under Bill to modify and amend the act as delegated powers.

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:22

George Eaton‏ @georgeeaton
Why Brexit bill defeat matters: 1. MPs have legal guarantee of vote on final deal (rather than verbal one). 2. Vote will be statutory (so amendments can be tabled).

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LeLocle · 13/12/2017 19:22

Just received this from Vince Cable -

Late last night, Jeremy Corbyn whipped his MPs to support the Conservatives on Brexit.

Last night’s vote was on an amendment that, had it passed would have protected our membership of the Single Market.

Labour let down British workers last night. This ends, once and for all any pretence that Jeremy Corbyn is fighting for us to stay in the single market.

Brexit is now a joint Conservative-Labour project – and that is a travesty.

The Conservative government is making a mess of Brexit. Incompetence, lack of preparation and, above all, disunity are leading to a weak agreement which is expensive for the taxpayer and does little to protect our interest.Brexit isn’t a done deal – there’s still time for the people to have the final say.
Next week, MPs will be voting on another of our amendments to the EU Withdrawal Bill. That amendment would guarantee you the chance to exit from Brexit.

Ahead of that vote, we’ll be in touch to let you know how you can help us try and persuade Jeremy Corbyn to do the right thing.Over the coming weeks, we will work with all sides for an exit from Brexit. We can only hope that Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour will finally choose to do the same.
Thank you for everything you do,

Vince

Vince Cable

Leader of the Liberal Democrats

(My bold)

WifeofDarth · 13/12/2017 19:23

Wow. Thanks for the commentary Red and Co. Merry Christmas after all!!

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:24

Kevin Schofield‏*@PolhomeEditor*
The next crunch vote comes next week on the Government's attempts to enshrine the Brexit date in law. Will Theresa May have the nerve to push it? The rebels will be licking their lips ...

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HashiAsLarry · 13/12/2017 19:25

@NickThornsby
A defeat for Trump in Alabama and the hard Brexiteers in the Commons. The sort of day that we political moderates haven’t experienced for quite some time.

I mean what else do you do when your DH is out at his work Christmas party than watch BBC parliament. I'm opening the Wine, anyone want some?

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:28

Laura Kuenssberg‏ @bbclaurak
One of tory rebels says govt will have to budge on next weeks vote now

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mrsreynolds · 13/12/2017 19:29

Just told ds1
He's singing in the shower 😁

HashiAsLarry · 13/12/2017 19:30

297 - 316 on amendment 30

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:31

Wine?

its more like Gin tonight.

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