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Westministenders: Happy Xmas (War is Over) - if only

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RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 14:00

When is lying not lying. When you can get enough of your mates to agree it is not lying.

And so we have David Davis, who has made two statements to parliament which deliberately contradict each other and must constitute some sort of lie to parliament at some point however you cut it.

Will the Speaker risk the wrath of his party to uphold democratic values? We watch carefully.

Davis also reveals and exposes May too though. May one way or another is complicit in Davis’s lie, either through not doing her job in reading the reports or by protecting Davis when she knew the reports did not exist. This is gross misconduct in her inability to ensure her staff do their bloody jobs. All so she can keep her own job.

This is where whistleblowers in other institutions pop up.

It has also become apparent that May has not had THE conversation with the Cabinet over what shape Brexit should take. After 18months.
Why not? Is she incapable of consensus building or is she just incompetent?

And then we have the DUP seemingly not being properly being involved in the wording of the all important document.

Vote Leave’s Oliver Norgrove is perfectly right in saying that Hard Brexit is all but dead. Don’t let that make you feel happier. Hard Brexiteers know that there only option now, is No Deal and that’s what they will try and pursue.

There is no deal until everything is settled. Right now, nothing is settled, not even what the UK want out of Brexit, never mind the EU position.

May might well have blown the only opportunity for a deal too, because of her failure over NI and the DUP. Where does she go from here? The idea that she will stand up to anyone, is ludicrous given her track record.

We might all wish we could John Lennon's song was apt when it comes to this Christmas and Brexit, it seems the war for our future post Brexit, it seems it is only just starting.

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RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:47

Jessica Elgot‏ @jessicaelgot
Raab says government willing to return with further reassurances on face of bill at report stage, drowned out by Tory MPs shouting "too late"

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RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:49

Faisal Islam‏ @faisalislam
Raab returns to the Chamber with a late concession: “reflecting mood of House, and having taken advice, Government is willing to return at Report stage with an amendment on face of Bill that SIs under Clause 9 will not enter into force until meaningful vote”

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RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:49

Grieve now speaking, and saying firmly, "too late"

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woman11017 · 13/12/2017 18:54

@reform_campaign
COMMONS: Antoinette Sandbach (Cons, Eddisbury), signatory to Amendment 7 of EU Withdrawal Bill, "not willing to vote to give away Parliamentary sovereignty that I exercise on behalf of my constituents to the executive". Will vote for Amendment tonight.

BiglyBadgers · 13/12/2017 18:54

If they are willing to come back later with their own amendment saying there will be a meaningful vote than why not just save the effort and accept this one. This offer is a fudge and everyone knows it. Hmm

mrsreynolds · 13/12/2017 18:55

Just out of interest....
Has any govt ever been so unfit for power?
They are a shambles
I'm embarrassed

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:55

Faisal Islam‏ @faisalislam
Uh oh. Charlie Elphicke is also objecting to Clause 9... says he can not support it... but doesnt say he will necessarily vote for Amendment 7

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BiglyBadgers · 13/12/2017 18:57

I have to go read dd her bedtime story in a minute. Do you think I could just read her updates on the progress of the vote on amendment 7 for half an hour. I'm certainly finding it pretty darn exciting Grin

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:58

Bigly, the vote is due at 7pm.

They take 10 - 15mins to go and do it. GO NOW.

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RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 18:59

Faisal Islam‏ @faisalislam
Vicky Ford - says she will “take a moment to reflect” - could be key, she was down as a likely rebel

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RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:01

HERE WE GO!!!!!!

Division called.

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RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:03

Robert Peston‏ @Peston
Government about to suffer its first serious parliamentary Brexit setback. Grieve rebels to win. Or at least that's my bet

Arrghhhhh! Just get it over with. The suspense is killing me.

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HashiAsLarry · 13/12/2017 19:06

I'll join you in that arrrrrgggghhhhh!
Heart in mouth

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:10

Paul Masterton - a possible rebel - has abstained.

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mrsreynolds · 13/12/2017 19:11

I feel sick....

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:12

Paul Masterton MP‏ @PM4EastRen
I said I wanted a guarantee of a meaningful vote on the face of the Bill. At the last minute, the Minister has given a meaningful concession. On that basis I am abstaining on Amendment 7

Kate McCann‏ @KateEMcCann
Wow. Vicky Ford walked between the aye and noe lobbies looking tortured before being literally helped inside (with an arm around her back) but the clearly persuasive Chancellor! One rebel down!

George Freeman MP‏ @Freeman_George
On the basis of the Minister’s last minute concession I’m happy to withdraw my opposition and hold them to account to come forward with a workable solution to #Clause9

Not looking good folks.

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Hasenstein · 13/12/2017 19:12

How can you abstain on a vote like this? Pure cowardice.

HashiAsLarry · 13/12/2017 19:13

George Freeman too. Vicky Ford apparently ushered through Aye.

Peregrina · 13/12/2017 19:13

Not counting any chickens. Labour annoys me*. Don't they want Parliamentary democracy?

  • not as much as the Tories who make me incandescent with rage.
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 19:13

George Freeman MP
George Freeman MP
@Freeman_George
On the basis of the Minister’s last minute concession I’m happy to withdraw my opposition and hold them to account to come forward with a workable solution to #Clause9

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 19:14

Sad this really is awful

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:14

Report of seven rebels.

Not enough if true.

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RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:15

Laura Kuenssberg‏ @bbclaurak
Rebel tells me govt has won - let’s see result in a mo

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 19:15

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
One MP says they think seven Tories have rebelled

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2017 19:15

Government win by 4.

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