Westministers: May Shares the Cake

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May's Speech Abbreviated:

We still have nfi how we are going to do this. EU this is your fault. You sort it out. We are too lazy, workshy and fighting like high school children to work it out ourselves. Be our whipping boy.

I support democracy as long as I get to do whatever I like
I support human rights as long as I can ignore them when I like.
I support the rule of law except when it doesn't suit my agenda.

Waffle waffle.

"Creative", "Dynamic" PR for my Premiership.

Waffle waffle

We really need policing cooperation, PLEASE keep it with us. I know I threatened to withdraw this, but I'm sorry, I was wrong and a bit of a dick about this.

Gets to the point FINALLY.

"2 year transition period"

(With another time bomb lock which is still too short for IT departments. Nothing to do with the next general election, honest).

RULE BRITANNIA!

Polite Applause.

....someone should tell Boris.. ..

Same story here

http://www.cityam.com/272878/civil-servant-olly-robbins-setting-up-brexit-team-outside

Senior civil servant Olly Robbins is setting up a team of Europe-focused specialists,
pulling more resource away from David Davis' Department for Exiting the EU (DexEU).
Robbins, who earlier this month moved from DexEU to Number 10, is in the process of
pulling together a crack unit of around 20 people, to form a "a major Whitehall power base",
Politico reported this morning.

The move will consolidate more of the Brexit braun away from Davis' dedicated department under May and her deputy Damian Green, and comes amid rumours of a clash between Robbins and Davis during the critical negotiations

May's moan that she wasn't ready to call the election
Oh fgs if the PM isn't able to actually take decision and is letting herself be push around, then WHO will ever be able to take decisions??
Serioulsy, she can't go round saying 'but Sir, he made me do it!'

We really, really shouldn't choose the US over the EU

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/09/27/trump-is-fighting-an-open-war-on-trade-his-stealth-war-on-trade-may-be-even-more-important/?utm_term=.6ecd2f1c26a8

The Trump administration has been waging a behind-the-scenes campaign against the WTO’s dispute settlement system.

It is holding hostage the selection of new members to the AB, which functions as the WTO’s de facto court of appeals,
unless unspecified U.S. demands are met.
.....
in March, the administration announced that it might seek to deal with trade disputes outside the WTO system, and possibly defy WTO rulings that it does not like.
.....
outside the public eye, the Trump administration has been mounting a high-stakes attack on the WTO’s judicial process.
If it succeeds, the consequences for the world trade system will be grim.

Now if you were evil genius who wanted to forever kill off the idea of leaving the EU, a Brexit department would be a good way to give the feeling that you'd gone to great lengths to have brexit. Afterall, if a whole department can't manage it....

... or the whole department could just be being run by a lazy shit, with ambitions on the party leadership, has a reputation for being difficult to work with, refuses to read briefing papers from his oppose numbers, fails to turn up with their own notes, regularly contradicts the leader, lacks basic understanding of international trading bodies and rules and comes up with fanciful ideas which are completely unworkable instead.

Worldwide airport chaos after computer check-in systems crash

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/28/worldwide-airport-chaos-check-in-computer-systems-crash/

And Brexiters want to send the entire nation on a journey, relying on IT software & systems not even on the drawing board yet 🙈

or the whole department could just be being run by a lazy shit, with ambitions on the party leadership, has a reputation for being difficult to work with, refuses to read briefing papers from his oppose numbers, fails to turn up with their own notes......

Aren't nearly all the tory MPs like that? They are the thick set from a failing private school, no one's idea of a rich talent pool.

Cleverly does stick out as appearing cogent and professional, at least. I suspect he'll have an important role in BJ's new ultra conservative group.

Dates put back - Horrendous for food safety !

We need more checks & inspections, not fewer
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/28/uks-top-supplier-of-supermarket-chicken-fiddles-food-safety-dates

European Parliament to propose Northern Ireland stays in single market*
*
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-northern-ireland-border-guy-verhofstadt-single-market-customs-union-european-parliament-a7972596.htmll**

The European Parliament is to call for Northern Ireland to stay in the single market and customs union in order to protect the integrity of the EU’s borders.*

MEPs have concluded it is the best solution to the problem of ensuring there is no border in Ireland.
The move has the support of all major political groups.

It would mean continued free movement on the island of Ireland,
with customs checks instead taking place at ports on the Irish sea for visitors travelling between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Dexeu.......a 500-person department handed the job of co-ordinating Whitehall’s approach to Brexit and preparing for leaving the EU.

This is probably a bit side of the bus rant on my behalf ....but just imagine if we had created "Depsave" instead of Dexeu. This would be a 500 strong department created for the purpose of saving the NHS and state education.Creating a department to save something rather than destroy something? Or (if felt necessary) create a smaller Department dedicated to working within the EU to implement some changes.

It is just madness- the effort and expense of all of this, including creating disastrous Dexeu.A department which is failing and is now made otiose by an elite working group under the auspices of number 10.

All this. All this, just to try and go it alone, trashing the pound, trashing our economy, trashing our credit rating, losing jobs, closing companies, jeopardising the GFA,chronically damaging our relationship with our neighbours,splitting families, devastating lives, losing us the security blanket of potential future help from membership of a powerful bloc. It's sheer madness.I know I'm stating the obvious.

Rant over...But why can flailing Dexeu have been funded so easily, and yet resourcing a department to save education and health would never have been actioned.

Roses 🌺for Red for this lifeline thread.....and a rare 🍸for myself and anyone who cares to join me ( feel like I need it ).

For those diehard unionists who keep saying the RoI should Irexit instead
Loong history, plus the economics mean that 80-90% of the RoI public have for years wanted to stay in.

The last RoI poll I could find on this was from May:
88% of its people think the RoI should remain in the EU, including 99% of full-time students

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0509/873610-eu_poll/

Sorry BigChoc, I sort of cross posted with my rant.

The EU are clear trying their best to help with the mess we have created. But....Scotland will want the same arrangement too won't they, except it's only a land border. What about the DUP- they won't want a coastal border.
Although perhaps there's a price on that for them too.Selling and Grandmothers comes to mind......Sorry if that was overly cynical.

• clearly ( I was not clear with my 'clear').

lonely Any incompetent / spitelul fool can destroy something great with spending cuts, or with a bomb;
can kill an amazing person by starving them of benefits, or just with one bullet

To save or to build requires talent, education, time, patience and much hard work

Curiously it reminds me of the film "Pretty woman". There a scene where the Richard Gere character says all his life he has destroyed businesses, and he declares he wants to change and help save things.

But yes saving things requires, intelligence, compassion, education, integrity and so on.

Scotland and NI are totally different cases wrt Brexit:

The NI proposal is not because NI voted heavily Remain - that would be interfering in the UK's internal affairs

It's because the NI / RoI border would become the EU`'s new external border

The EU requires that its external border be secure wrt goods being imported, in order not to damage the Single Market
Therefore
either the external country must be in the Single Market
OR its goods must be subject to all the standard 3rd country customs inspections and phyto-sanitary checks, i.e. a hard border

Sea borders are comparatively easy to secure.
A land border wandering over a few hundred miles would be a gaping hole to let unauthorised goods into the Single Market

Yes the reasons behind the NI proposal are to secure the single market.

But the effect of the proposal is to highlight Scotland's discontent surely....although unless I've missed something it seems to have been quieter on that front?

It would mean continued free movement on the island of Ireland, with customs checks instead taking place at ports on the Irish sea for visitors travelling between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Thus sending a message to the N Irish that they really aren't part of the United Kingdom. Which is almost certain to hasten a united Ireland, and cause the UK to cease to exist - because it would be the United Kingdom of Great Britain and er, er, nothing else.

www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/history/students/modules/hi385/biblio/
There is a long bibliography on Northern Ireland history here (from the University of Warwick).

The European Parliament is to call for Northern Ireland to stay in the single market and customs union in order to protect the integrity of the EU’s borders.

So the border would be in the Irish Sea then. I seem to remember this was proposed a while back.

I agree this will highlight Scotland's ties to England and Wales, and not in a good way.

Can't easily cut & paste, but I just got the government's response to the petition to hold another referendum on the final deal. I am now full of rage.

Just seen the same reply to the petition. This brings us back to the question as to how long a mandate to leave the EU lasts. I think the statement that 85% voted for parties who wanted to leave the EU is doubtful. Otherwise the statement is saying that how the people voted in an advisory referendum in 2016 binds future Governments. Who knew when they were voting that it was supposedly a decision which would bind us forever? We don't have that nonsense with General Elections. However, the whole tone of "we won't do this" made me immediately think - you Tories will change your mind as soon as it becomes expedient for you to do so. The whole response has that dictatorial tone of Theresa May, who as we have seen, is spectacularly lacking in judging the will of electorate.

On 23 June 2016 the British people voted to leave the European Union. The UK Government is clear that it is now its duty to implement the will of the people and so there will be no second referendum.

The decision to hold the referendum was supported by a clear majority in both the House of Commons and the House of Lords. On 23 June 2016 the British people voted to leave the European Union. The referendum was the largest democratic mandate in UK political history. In the 2017 General Election more than 85% of people voted for parties committed to respecting that result.

There must be no attempts to remain inside the European Union, no attempts to rejoin it through the back door, and no second referendum. The country voted to leave the European Union, and it is the duty of the Government to make sure we do just that. Rather than second guess the British people’s decision to leave the European Union, the challenge now is to make a success of it - not just for those who voted leave but for every citizen of the United Kingdom, bringing together everyone in a balanced approach which respects the decision to leave the political structure of the EU but builds a strong relationship between Britain and the EU as neighbours, allies and partners.

Parliament passed an Act of Parliament with a clear majority giving the Prime Minister the power to trigger Article 50, which she did on 29 March in a letter to the President of the European Council, Donald Tusk. As a matter of firm policy, our notification will not be withdrawn - for the simple reason that people voted to leave, and the Government is determined to see through that instruction.

Both Houses of Parliament will have the opportunity to vote on the final agreement reached with the EU before it is concluded. This will be a meaningful vote which will give MPs the choice to either accept the final agreement or leave the EU with no agreement.

The people of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union, but we are not leaving Europe. We want a deep and special partnership with the EU. We aim to get the right deal abroad and the right deal for people here at home. We will deliver a country that is stronger, fairer, more united and more outward-looking than ever before.

Department for Exiting the European Union