Westministers: May Shares the Cake

[RedToothBrush]

May's Speech Abbreviated:

We still have nfi how we are going to do this. EU this is your fault. You sort it out. We are too lazy, workshy and fighting like high school children to work it out ourselves. Be our whipping boy.

I support democracy as long as I get to do whatever I like
I support human rights as long as I can ignore them when I like.
I support the rule of law except when it doesn't suit my agenda.

Waffle waffle.

"Creative", "Dynamic" PR for my Premiership.

Waffle waffle

We really need policing cooperation, PLEASE keep it with us. I know I threatened to withdraw this, but I'm sorry, I was wrong and a bit of a dick about this.

Gets to the point FINALLY.

"2 year transition period"

(With another time bomb lock which is still too short for IT departments. Nothing to do with the next general election, honest).

RULE BRITANNIA!

Polite Applause.

Well, I've emailed my Tory MP again along similar lines to borntobequiet. He says he wants to work for a soft Brexit, but without providing any details (obviously). I didn't even open that government response because I could predict exactly what it would say and I knew it would give me the rage.

All Brexit has really done on the world stage is legitimise 51/49 "democracy" in advisory referenda.

I look forward to an independent Kurdish homeland, supported fully by the UK - even if then entire rest of the world would rather look the other way.

All Brexit has really done on the world stage is

... make us look like the deluded landmass filled with 65 million tantrumming toddlers who think that the Universe owes us a change in the Laws of Nature.

Misti The EU, especially with the RoI pushing it, is very sympathetic to NI.
However, if push comes to shove, it is the member state - RoI - that will be prioritised.

From CSO figures,
the RoI has been diversifying^ rapidly from the UK,^
especially since the Single Market came into being:

RoI exports to the UK were only 11.5% of the RoI total in 2016

RoI imports from the UK:
31% in 2013
27% in 2014
24% in 2015
22% in 2016.

For the island of Ireland, the alternative to the UK landbridge is to use direct ferries,
which means an 8-16 hour delay, not good, but much less than the probable delay of mainland UK exports into, or via, the EU.

A sea border looks the least terrible of the terrible options for NI

NI trade would be wrecked by WTO .
For RoI, WTO effects would be mucn less severe, bit still a recession.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/leave-voters-admit-they-are-racist-in-new-research-a3646421.html
So 1/3 of Leavers admitbthey are racists.
I'm wondering how many of them actually ARE racist (aka how many didn't dare saying it?).

Note sure of the significance, but the petition was addressed to "the government" but answered by Department for Exiting the European Union. A department which may not exist in six months.

Actually, I can totally understand whats happening here. It's been a standard divide and conquer tactic for millennia ... you split responsibility and authority. Something I first encountered at Uni, where the Head of Course was responsibility, but had no actual power to do anything. He had to go to a departmental manager that students had no formal access too.

It's a variation on the Scottish/British duality of nationality

I too have written to my MP about the appalling Government response to the petition, also highlighting how the language used in the third paragraph is that of a dictatorship.

Fortunately my MP is the Lib Dem Layla Moran. She replaced the useless 'will of the people' Nicola Blackwood, who started bleating how she'd voted Remain once she realised her seat was under threat.

I too have written to my MP

Yeah, well ....

Immediately after the election, I hit my (new) MP with a question over Brexit. I did it through "writetothem" which chased me (and her) up 4 weeks later.

No reply.

I repeated the exercise in July, copying in the local Labour Party.

No reply.

2 week ago I made a local issue complaint, and had a reply on heade notepaper last week.

Last week I made another local-issue (not the same as before) complaint and received a reply by email the next day.

So the take-home message, is my Labour MP has not got ears to hear, nor eyes to see, anything inconvenient about Brexit.

Be interested to know if this is an individual decision, or if some overarching directive from the politburo ?

Reading about May's visit to Estonia, and security, I would laugh if the Tories were the ones to take us into a European Army.

Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania.

FELL.

From O level contemporary world history.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41437636

It would take a "miracle" for Brexit talks to progress quickly enough to persuade the EU to start discussing trade soon, a top official has said.
EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker agreed progress had been made between the two sides this week.
But asked if it was enough to persuade the EU to agree to open trade talks, as the UK wants, at a summit next month, he replied only if "miracles happen"

@davidallengreen

1. Had assumed Lords blocking Withdrawal Bill would mean a year's delay under Parliament Act.Law and policy added,

1. The Parliament Act 1949 provides in effect how a Bill can become an Act even if rejected by Lords. Used rarely.

3. This page published by @UKParliament is good on this: www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/parliamentacts/ …

Procedure only ever used seven times.

1. But it is always worth looking at legislation afresh, even statutes you think you know well.

There is something v interesting if you do.

5. Here is the operative part of the 1949 Act: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo6/12-13-14/103/section/1 …

It is a bit wordy and turgid, but.

6. The effect of the provision is not just a one year delay.

The Bill would need to be introduced in a separate parliamentary session.

7. But remember one thing May did after the election was to prolong the current session for two years "for Brexit".

8. Some cynical people thought that she did this just to avoid having a vote on the Queens's Speech for two years. Perhaps.

9. The side-effect of the decision to prolong the session means that invoking 1949 Act would be substantially delayed. Not just a year.

10. There are perhaps some clever ways round this, or HMG can quickly revert to a one year session.

11. Or the Commons can and force the Lords to reject it twice in one session, which gets round the requirement of a separate session.

12. So it is not an absolute barrier.

But it is a lovely example of unforeseen consequences of what seems a good idea at the time.

But it is a lovely example of unforeseen consequences of what seems a good idea at the time.

A lot of words where one would do: Brexit.

A lot of words where one would do: Brexit.

How very dare you, don't you know that Leavers considered every possible permutation and foresaw literally every consequence of Brexit! Just take a look at the NI thread for absolutely conclusive evidence of this.

How very dare you, don't you know that Leavers considered every possible permutation and foresaw literally every consequence of Brexit! Just take a look at the NI thread for absolutely conclusive evidence of this.

I don't know it, because it never happened.

Elements - you're wrong. Dontcha know that it is the NI and Scottish non voters' fault for not en masse voting Remain and therefore changing the overall result (population differentials notwithstanding). And the Remain voters fault for not doing enough. Nothing whatsoever to do with those that voted Leave.

Not their responsibility. Not their fault. How were they to know the entirely foreseeable unforeseen consequences?

I'm just gobsmacked that there are absolutely no sensible answers yet and Leavers aren't remotely concerned because they still think we're going to be able to just carry on as before only without FOM of people and making contributions.

I can't get my head round how so many people can be so detached from reality- I've always said it's like a cult and it gets more so by the day.

Of all the annoyances (mild word) I have with modern living, I think the one single most rage-inducing is the utter contempt the public gets treated with, in an age where it has become impossible to fudge the past.

In particular the feeble wail of "if only we'd known" from people in authority caught out in their own ideology.

Previously, when the only official record would have been a newspaper article with no comments (and no mechanism for comments) you might just be able to fool people this was the case.

But in an age where there is open mass public discussion on nearly all topics of interest, it becomes a lot harder to pull off the "of course, if we had known at the time, we would have done things differently ..."

This is of massive interest of late, with the Grenfell whitewash inquiry. Because I am sure there were many publicly recorded warnings long before the tragedy.

Same with Brexit. I have zero time, tolerance or patience for any fucking idiot who tries to claim they had no idea things would get this complicated.

OK, watch this unfold ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41433019

Families could be left homeless and destitute if Theresa May insists on pressing ahead with Universal Credit, a former top adviser has warned.

Dame Louise Casey urged the prime minister to pause the roll-out of the new benefit system so it can be fixed.

(contd)

When things do go horribly wrong, what's the betting the whine will be "we had no reason to think there was any problem" ???

Jimwaterson @ Jim Waterson
UKIP conference cheers as a speaker mounts a defence of the right to black-up if you're pastiching the Jamaican bobsleigh team.

Replies to this asking if this is satire or not.

It's not

For your amusement and it is Friday...

UKIP conference cheers as a speaker mounts a defence of the right to black-up if you're pastiching the Jamaican bobsleigh team.

Wow, you know the UKIP Calypso, Mike Read (of "Relax" banning fame) wrote, recorded and performed ?

Please, nobody post a link to it.

Please. For the love of God and all that's holy.

Ann-Marie Waters didn't win UKIP leadership as some feared she would. Someone called Henry Bolton did.

No I have no idea who he is either. Apparently was a police constable and former army who served in Bosnia.

Jim Waterson @ jimwaterson
UKIP leadership 2nd place: WAR ON ISLAM NOW
UKIP leadership 1st place: Some bloke who stood as a Lib Dem against Phil Hammond in 2005.
OK.

Chris Terry @ CJTerry
Relatively unknown Henry Bolton becomes UKIP leader, backed by Farage, suggests that even now he is the real power within the party