The Brexit Arms. All welcome.

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So.....how are we all?

We should send someone down to check the vault ghost

Any suggestions

I've got visions of poor old Claig hammering on the door of the vault with only her foam Trump hands

They will be worn down to teeny tiny stubby hands

Michael I am not talking about the advanced nursing, what I am talking about is the day to day necessary trivial but needed things that need doing on a ward, that you could get other's to do without too much effort that would free the nurses to do more.
Do you really need someone on 30k fetching water or dinner for a ward.
There are scales of education in nursing, and as I said you take the good ones and train them further, thus increasing the productivity of the wards.

A few of my family members have been in hospital for one reason or another recently

None of them were served their dinner by a nurse

Cant speak for all hospitals obviously

I am sorry to inform you the Vault never existed, we were having a party in that room and didn't want you remainers to come so we take turns at the door and have fooled you for years.
The main doors are at the back in this building,So we have been coming and going as we please, so you have all been locked in here slaving away at god knows what while we drank the place dry and have had several more deliveries of booze and pizza, oh by the way March 2019, there will be Millions of us drink, so sorry for the noise.

Dad's been in and out for the past few years, and they were by us.

Think a boss is supposed to do that anyway.
Or the whole work force would be at lunch till 4.

If that was in response to my post about adequate supervision of employees then you are clueless. I do hope you're not an employer.

If that was in response to my post about adequate supervision of employees then you are clueless.
So you employ someone to oversee the employee's and then someone to over see the person overseeing the employee;s
Hardly rocket science is it.

Actually Mummy, I have to disagree with you regarding your analogy of how nursing used to work. There were always two grades of Nurse State Registered Nurse and State Enrolled Nurse. We no longer have the SENs. Basically SENs needed only 'O' levels and SRNs need A levels. We have auxiliaries to do many of the cleaning, water filling and tea pouring type jobs. Do we need a SEN type role - not so sure. SRNs were always trained in class rooms as well as on the wards. My mum trained before the war, before the NHS. She became a very highly qualified nurse and even went to university! Nursing needs to be a highly qualified now a days. We have very complex procedures and extensive medication and effects to have an in depth knowledge of so not something taken lightly. We really need more people to be encouraged to train as nurses not put up barriers.

Did you know a gardener of 50 years got the sack, as he didn't have the qualifications for mowing the lawn he had moaned for 50 years..

What a load of old tosh.

We have auxiliaries to do many of the cleaning, water filling and tea pouring type jobs. Do may decide to formally train as nurses, as yes this is what I was thinking we need more of, starting at the base and then being able to rise up the education ladder.

FFS mummmy, what a stupid reply.

Look up R v Cotswold Geotechnical and work out (a) what went wrong, (b) the consequences of what went wrong and (c) the fall out of those consequences.

But if you need to have a certain amount of education to be able to complete the course in the first place why would you want to start at the bottom and be an auxiliary in the first place Mummy?

These are not jobs for a working wage but for pin money to give children self respect and a work ethic, so wind your neck in and realize that lots of little projects can equal a success on a larger scale.

So here we have a suggestion that 'children' pick fruit and I quote not for a working wage but for pin money. Hang on a minute, hasn't there been a load of whinging about foreign workers undercutting wages in the UK, and here's a Brexiteer saying we should employ children for 'pin money'?

Some of the bullshit spouted on here just beggars belief.

"You then very deliberately abused the meaning of my words to say I was accusing everyone who voted out as racist. "

No I really didnt Flatpack. I asked you a very straightforward question. Was the referendum question racist? Fluff the issue all you like, but this was you.

"but all racists voted out, so where does that leave you?"

Either the referendum question was racist or it wasnt.

This was also you.

"If I saw a petition I wanted to sign that neo-Nazis and BMPers were clamouring to sign, I would stop and think very hard about singing. See what I mean?"

Nope.

Clearly the 'all muslims arent jihadis' pov, has utterly passed you by, though of course, all jihadis are muslim.

Muppet.

A. he went in the pit alone. He was supposed to have someone above ground only the other person had left and he went back down.
B. It said it was up to him as a Geologist to decide if the sides needed shoring up, so he could have had this done, but must have decided it was safe or he wouldn't have gone in the pit.
C. That hopefully all pits will be shored up above a certain depth with no exceptions.

Tragic and an accident that results in an investigation the means rules are introduced because they are needed.
Which I have never argued against...

Picking fruit is seasonal,
It can mean on any given day you pick for 1 hour or more.
A working wage means you need say £250 a week take home.
so how the heck do you get a working wage out of a job that might offer you 5 hours a weekend.
That's pin money, not a real working wage, no sane man would go and work somewhere for 5 hours and hope it might turn into 35 hours.
Oh a perfect job for a student who wants some pin money.......

This post of mummy's gets my prize for most ill-thought idea on the internet this week:
What would be so wrong with letting them start in a hospital as a taster work month, if you like it you stay, get paid each month.
Who is going to supervise these people? Trained HCPs who could otherwise be looking after patients? Would you liked to be stitched up by someone doing a 'taster', or have your bloods taken by them? I don't think I fancy it very much...
If your good you get more training and more pay. Who decides who's 'good'? Presumably there would need to be set measures and standards and someone judging who is attaining those, which would mean an extra burden of assessment and all the attendant administration.
If you hate it you leave. Simples.
It would mean the trained nurse don't have to waste time doing jobs that untrained nursling can do. This doesn't currently happen anyway, but under the new 'mummy' nurse-training scheme, given that patient care should be paramount, the 'nursling' would need constant supervision. See point one above...

Some of the bullshit spouted on here just beggars belief.
Yeah the things you read and the Bullshit you produce in response.
Here have some mushrooms grown off your bullshit.

Nursling making beds, and doing jobs you would do for your sick mum...
Way to go yet again we have the pick the bit to spread the shit.

Mummy. Most farmers don't want people turning up for the odd hour here and there. When fruit or veg need picking, they need picking. At harvest time there will be gangs working for days/weeks at a time, not rocking up for an hour after school. Your child-fruit-picking scheme is as ridiculous as your nurse-training scheme, but go ahead and argue the toss. I'm going to bed now.

Oh bed time for me, and here are your brooms....

Can't resist adding post no. 1000 to close the thread.