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So.....how are we all?

Not every aspect of nursing means you need to have a degree.

No, but the more highly trained medical professionals in the NHS the better.

At what point do you say that there are too many regulations?
You can't foresee everything, and sometimes accidents do happen, only once in 20 or 30 years, but then H&S produce this massive amount of rules and the thing doesn't happen again for another 20 years, but the cost to the industry may have been millions.
If something happens a lot, then yes, need regulations need to be bought out, and investigations into why it happened, but rules for rules sake is wrong.

Basic observations that once read and confirmed you have understood should be then take for read, that someone has to do this.

Right, and how would that work in highly complex and dangerous workplaces such as Nuclear power plants, oil rigs etc. H&S is far more than just reading a notice.

You're flogging a long dead horse on the issue of teens & students working part time.
Ghost & chums get an attack of the vapours at the mere thought of a teen doing any form of work.

but the cost to the industry may have been millions.
If something happens a lot, then yes, need regulations need to be bought out, and investigations into why it happened, but rules for rules sake is wrong.

H&S regs are set up to minimize potential accidents and offer guidance to workers and employers. I don't care how much it costs you cant but a price on life. I imagine tribunals are far more expensive than adhering to regs.

faith

Where do you get this stuff from

Seriously

Where has ghost said she doesnt agree with any teenagers having a job

Who are ghosts chums?

No, but the more highly trained medical professionals in the NHS the better.
But aren't you better to do natural selection.
Start them all off changing the beds and helping the patients.
Withing a month you know the ones who are able to do more so you give these a bit more training.
So if you pick it up fast you get more training...
This way someone could take 6 months to train or someone 2 years, and each rise to their own levels.

Faith, you are overlooking the limitations of students/kids working in certain sectors.

Ghost I'm worried that you're trying to take Mummy down.

We've lost enough posters this way as it is.

But aren't you better to do natural selection.

What, like an open day for potential nurses? - Quickest 50 to change the bedsheets get a contract? Runners up prize is a summer picking strawberries in Norfolk

But seriously Mummy, some posters only pitch up in here to be arsey.

I'm not sure that anyone could take mummy down

You can't stop a stupid person walking into a room and falling over a rope, and you can't stop them leaving the rope on the floor.
Yes you can regulate that all ropes must be picked up, and never left on a floor, but it still won't stop the stupid person leaving it on a floor.
So then you have to hope the non-stupid person picks it up as they walk past. Because they know it shouldn't be on the floor.
Or do you have to employ a rope picker upper... just in case.

Micheal, I know I don't even get paid for this shit.

I rest my case

I wonder if all the taken down posters get locked in a vault.

Mummy, that's why employers offer training and staff appraisals to measure competency.

But isn't a lot of H&S aimed at the level of a stupid person.
Basic observations that once read and confirmed you have understood should be then take for read, that someone has to do this.

As an employer, you have to ensure that your employees have information, instruction, training and supervision.

So no, you can't just tell someone how to do a job and leave them to it. Unless you want to be prosecuted for lack of supervision if there is an incident.

But aren't you better to do natural selection.

What, like an open day for potential nurses? - Quickest 50 to change the bedsheets get a contract? Runners up prize is a summer picking strawberries in Norfolk hmm

What would be so wrong with letting them start in a hospital as a taster work month, if you like it you stay, get paid each month.
If your good you get more training and more pay.
If you hate it you leave.

It would mean the trained nurse don't have to waste time doing jobs that untrained nursling can do.

It wouldn't surprise me michael

It would explain the banging

I thought it was ghosts head on her desk but it might be claig trying to get out

Mummy, because it is a very expensive way to find suitable staff.

The removal of nursing bursaries was a disgrace. I think we can all agree on that.

I also know that several studies showed that having degree educated nurses resulted in fewer patient deaths which can only be a good thing. If I could link I would but I'm a bit of a dunderhead.

it might be claig trying to get out

I couldn't take one of Claig's essays this latee on a sunday night!

Think a boss is supposed to do that anyway.
Or the whole work force would be at lunch till 4.