The Brexit Arms. All welcome.

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So.....how are we all?

Oh it comes up again and again the brexits arms. It's a common theme here.

I don't bunch leave voters all together. Most of the leave voters I know in rl didn't think that hard about their vote and still don't, some have changed their minds and a few have died! That's why I like the brexit arms- here are the true brexit believers.

My old neighbour voted out and spluttered at very great length (bless him) about how he wasn't racist. Of course 17m people are not all racists - but all racists voted out, so where does that leave you? If I saw a petition I wanted to sign that neo-Nazis and BMPers were clamouring to sign, I would stop and think very hard about singing. See what I mean?

Yawn.

but all racists voted out,

Did they?

Yawn all you like Caroline, the fact is not a single one of you can point to even one tangible benefit of leaving the EU which is going to outweigh the costs we know we are going to face.

You might all think you've had the last laugh but you haven't.

People are going to stop smiling pretty soon after they realise nothing is going to improve and a lot of things are going to get significantly worse.

I don't believe that.

I know racists who didn't bother to vote.

Flatpacker, when you have a minute to explain what a 'quiter' is, could you also explain BMP too?

Many thanks.

If you want more precise wording: of all those who voted, all the racists voted out. And, yes, without having the data, I'd bet my mother's life that no racists voted to stay in the EU. Given two groups: 1 + racists, 2 + no racists, I'd know which group I'd vote with. And if my preferred choice had the backing of Russia and Trump, I just wouldn't have voted. But I do see that is a purely personal preference. Others see things like racism and nationalism differently.

Bearbehind
What will, ' post Brexit Britain' look like?
You seem to know it all so can you please tell in, in detail, exactly how things will be, in say, 5 years time.
How exactly, 100% certain ( as you always are ) are things going to be worse for everyone?

I'm a working class northerner, so on the day of the referendum I climbed out of my disused mineshaft, popped on my Robert Mugabe baseball cap to shield my eyes from the strong daylight, put down my Pot Noodle then dragged my knuckles to the polling station and ticked the box that said 'Kick all foreigners OUT'. No, that wasn't actually on my ballot paper.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility to have voted to leave the EU yet not have an issue with immigration, you know that surely?

The 'all leavers are racist' nonsense is just a typical low blow from the left.
The fact that many black & Asian people voted to leave conveniently passes them by.

Where did they poster say 'all leavers are racist'?

posters would much prefer to discuss how 'i voted brexit but im not racist' this than trying to answer an obvious question like 'how will my life be better because of Brexit'?

Can't work out why that is.

Oh surfer, so you agree with trump that those who oppose alt-right - marching with swastikas and shouting about Jews are just as bad as the alt-right?

Surfer and Michael - you really are not listening. No one is saying ALL those who voted are racist, and the only reason I can think of why you insist as reading it as such is that you are VERY uncomfortable with the label. For myself, if I kept thinking someone was accusing me of being a racist, it would like being accused as a sadist or a murderer. I would look at them a bit weird, but I would defo not be on MN crying out at the injustice.

surfer, there are still no answers to very basic questions like trade agreements, tariffs, NI.

Given that the government has its head in the sand and just thinks we can carry n as before but the EU have explicitly said we can't, how do you see this ending well?

we don't produce enough to be self sufficient and we don't have many opportunities to increase our industries.

We are a link in the chain in many production processes but this only works because we are in the single market; if country of origin rules start to become an issue we will be cut out of the chain.

You might be affluent enough to turn a blind eye to all this but it is going to bite for many.

Your happy clappy flag waving isn't going to be enough to resolve the fundamental problems of severing ties with the biggest trading bloc in the world.

I'm not crying out at any injustice @FlatPacker, you can think what you like.

@Bearbehind if I'm honest I hold Tory voters like you somewhat responsible for voting in Cameron and his referendum promise in the first place. The whole thing is a farcical shower of shit, and yes, I own the fact I voted and contributed to this sorry mess. If this country is ever daft enough to hold another referendum I shall spoil my ballot paper.

Not all Tory voters voted to Leave.

Cameron didn't believe in Brexit so blaming me for voting him in is a bit of a spurious train of thought.

I sure as shit did not vote Tory this time.

Are you saying you voted Leave and regret it michael?

It's a refreshing change if you are being that honest.

Flatpack, so you saw the Brexit referendum as a racist referendum? That the question was a racist question?

Not regret as such @Bearbehind, sadness at the division the referendum caused and utter dismay at the mess that's unfolded since the vote. I didn't imagine Cameron would do a runner for starters and if I'd known in advance there was zero plan for Leave in place, I probably wouldn't have voted at all.
I didn't vote on a whim (spent 2 months researching and was eventually swayed by the Lexit argument) and thought (naively) we'd end up with a soft Brexit, which would be my preferred Brexit. Have no issue with FOM at all, just the EU itself. If any of that waffle makes sense.

michael I actually hugely respect your honesty.

My decision to vote Remain was largely based on the fact there was no actual plan in place to leave.

The lack of progress since then is disgraceful.

I'm truly horrified that the fuckers in charge think Big Ben not bonging on the day we leave the EU is just about the biggest issue we face.

It's an absolute farce fuelled by this idiotic, flag flying rhetoric based on nothing more than a feeling Britannia will rule again.

No racists voted to remain in the EU flatpacker?

What a load of shit.

Faith, here , but just to cheer you,

BNP votes at the last general election. 4,600
The monster raving loony party 3,900.

Flatpack, so you saw the Brexit referendum as a racist referendum? That the question was a racist question?

we don't produce enough to be self sufficient and we don't have many opportunities to increase our industries.

Is this not also a product of the EU, Buying things cheaper from the EU because the products are avaliable, has directly lead to it not being profitable for farmers to grow food items, being told how what size and length by the supermarkets as they can source the products at cheaper prices in the single market, all part of the same effect.
A bent carrot shaped like a person's nose used to cause great amusement in my child hood, yet I know they must still grow this way, but unless it's from local suppliers you never see it. So there has to be scope to grow and provide seasonal veg.
After all there is a whole growing season to supply the goods.

We won't go without fruit and veg, or meat and since we will import more to start with does that not mean trade deals will be available.
Our saying we have no manufacturing, again does this not mean there will be opportunities to replace the loses with trade deals or if it is profitable to re energize the manufacturing sectors in the UK.

mummy, do you have any idea how idealistic that post is?

Yes in theory there are, very limited possibilities, but we've done absolutely fuck all about persiung anything because we are so God damn arrogant our government think we'll just be able to carry on as we were.

I agree micheal

I voted reman but I didn't like parts of the the EU either

And i very much hate the fact that some people on here at least have decided its a game with teams, one team has won and any subtleties and commonality between two groups of people who decided to tick a box over a year ago is being ignored

Its pathetic