Westministenders: No Brexit is Better than a Bad Brexit

[RedToothBrush]

Happy Anniversary!!!

These Threads are officially 1 year old today.

I don't know who started the very first thread, but it was about how Cameron quitting had handed the Boris a poison chalice because he had to be the one to trigger a50 as Cameron walked away without having done it.

Of course Boris didn't become PM, and we found out that triggering a50 and Brexit were even more complex than even the majority of the most informed thought it would be.

A year on we have a minority government, a zombie prime minister, a government who don't really know what the concept of democracy, millions of EU citizens (who include British nationals) who face an uncertain future, the fear of the cliff edge, a huge scandal over inequality and Jeremy Corbyn appearing on the Pyramid Stage at Glastonbury within the hour.

"Savaged by dead sheep", Did the trick though. Not forgetting Anthony Meyer.

I share your fear tbh
But yes he is a principled decent man
Thanks for news tips
I get most of my news from Twitter too!!

Best I'm with you completely. Having met loads of JC fans some are really into hero worship. Odd

And let us not forget Momentum. They will rear their heads again have no doubt

I think I may be the Plaicemat King.

Tories crack the whip as MPs ordered to cancel holiday on vote days
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/tories-crack-whip-mps-ordered-cancel-holiday-vote-days-minority/
It really is a bit 1970s. MPs were forced in for votes despite sometimes chronic illnesses.

JC will not be perfect. He will do things we disagree with. He may very well fuck up terribly. However, what can't be denied is that he galvanised a host of young people who had felt politics had nothing to offer them and got them out to vote. He has shifted the window back towards the left, he has been instrumental in putting soft brexit and perhaps even no brexit back on the agenda.

I don't personally see the hero worship people keep going on about. What I see is people responding to someone who has demonstrated consistent principles over years and who is speaking their beliefs and hopes. I don't see any more actual hero worship than other politicians have had, just a hell of a lot more people feeling he is saying things they like.

Just reading some of Loathsome's other statements in that Newsnight interview :

"we have a very strong hand and we are very well prepared for the negotiations.”

Yes, the hero worship worries me as well. But, I'm not sure how politics can roll back from that atm. Isn't it similar to the Macron/Trump movements? It definitely makes me uncomfortable - mobs/rallies.

Or Obama Swedish....did his popularity make you uncomfortable?

I can only presume that Loathsome, DD and May are trying to con the Uk public
because Barnier and co certainly know the Uk's hand and how inadequately prepared DD and the UK side is.

They can't fool Barnier, so I assume they are trying to fool us

I think he is being hero worshipped a bit, in a way that hasn't been seen since Thatcher. Nobody chanted 'His name is Neil and he lives at Number 10' to the tune of Rio for Neil Kinnock.

Both left and right seem to be looking for a saviour on a white horse to rescue them

Unhealthy and unrealistic, but shows how desperate people are, after years of austerity and decline - in many Western countries

I don't personally see the hero worship people keep going on about.
Me too. In fact the fact that someone like JC, with so few apparently sellable traits, is so popular speaks to the popularity of socialism right now, particularly with youngsters. They've been studying this on their own for years. JC is just an old fashioned campaigning back bencher. Labour would be doing great with any leader right now as long as they had this manifesto.

No, I get that. It's inconsistent.

This has made me laugh. The BBC, derided for ignoring Corbyn, Kuenssberg supposedly unable to hide her pro-Tory bias etc.

Steve Peers‏Verified account @StevePeers 41m41 minutes ago

Retweeted Nigel Farage
If irony wasn't dead already, it really is now...

Nigel FarageVerified account @Nigel_Farage
Why should we pay the BBC licence fee just so they can promote @JeremyCorbyn? Outrageous.

FDR used to do pretty good rallies, as did his crazy uncle Teddy Roosevelt. Churchill was the last 'rallying' British politician. It's probably illegal to say he made anyone feel uncomfortable.

I think he is being hero worshipped a bit, in a way that hasn't been seen since Thatcher. Nobody chanted 'His name is Neil and he lives at Number 10' to the tune of Rio for Neil Kinnock.

Haha...thats quite and image. I was thinking more of Blair, Obama, even Ed Milliband had his vociferous if slightly odd fan club.

Nigel considers anything les than 60% Nigel on the Beeb to be unbalanced.

Ah if you want to see tje hero worshipping attend a momentum meeting or a CLP where they have control. It is there. And it is growing

But As PP said Thatcher was too...but not Major It's the type of politician that creates the type of response good or bad

And on the right of course you have the personality cult of Boris Johnson. Politics has always been about personalities however much we may try and ignore it while pretending we are all above such frivolity.

This is a spectacularly stupid cabinet: Loathsome, DD, Fox, Patel
spectacularly destructive too: Gove, Hunt
and with Bojo playing the village idiot around the world

I remember what now seem like towering giants in cabinets from the late 1960s until the late Noughties

Ed Milliband had his vociferous if slightly odd fan club.
www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/apr/10/ed-miliband-performs-a-has-hit-take-on-me-on-the-last-leg-skit-video

That dreadful cabinet, presided over by the Maybot
No wonder JC is the unlikely recipient of so much adoration

Indeed, we're not exactly overwhelmed by credible, sane alternatives right now.

Thank you Red and all. I have been on these threads since the start (I think) but name changing often - formerly unicorn based names and lurking whenever work gets busy so probably missed a few threads with nothing more than a placemat king. to all...

Woman, Bigly, hope you're right. Fantastic to see the young galvanised. Wouldn't it be amazing to see a Macron style thing happening here.

It's also given my 79 year old Dad a new lease of life - lifelong socialist, trade unionist and Labour campaigner. He's loving the Labour resurgence. He would be out there protesting on the streets if he could.