Westministenders: No Brexit is Better than a Bad Brexit

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Happy Anniversary!!!

These Threads are officially 1 year old today.

I don't know who started the very first thread, but it was about how Cameron quitting had handed the Boris a poison chalice because he had to be the one to trigger a50 as Cameron walked away without having done it.

Of course Boris didn't become PM, and we found out that triggering a50 and Brexit were even more complex than even the majority of the most informed thought it would be.

A year on we have a minority government, a zombie prime minister, a government who don't really know what the concept of democracy, millions of EU citizens (who include British nationals) who face an uncertain future, the fear of the cliff edge, a huge scandal over inequality and Jeremy Corbyn appearing on the Pyramid Stage at Glastonbury within the hour.

One year on and we are still no clearer.

I'm uneasy about Corbyn at Glastonbury. I'm not sure why.

MrsMartell i read the Telegraph and Guardian websites most days, along with occasional forays into the Washington Post and HuffPost. (I'm not in the UK, so all my news comes online)

Ed Balls is also at Glastonbury, and I suspect many other politicians too

I'm uneasy about Corbyn at Glastonbury. I'm not sure why.

Because you don't like Corbyn? Because you don't think politics should be a group event? Because you are something that didn't agree with you?

I think it's great that so many people are engaged with the political system when not so long ago everyone was complaining about apathy. Festivals have always been heavily political events and Corbyn at Glastonbury makes perfect sense to me and seems an obvious fit.

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Happy birthday to the Westminstenders series and thanks RTB for starting another one!

I echo what MrsHoolies said. red and all.

May has a history of being deliberately hostile to immigrants:

I'm still fuming after learning at the end of the last thread The Evening Standard, how much unnecessary misery May personally has caused for E27 and UK expats:

Last July, Cameron wanted to make a unilateral offer that E27 expats could stay and he was backed by all Cabinet members - except May, who was then Home Secretary
All except May agreed the offer was in the Uk's interests too, as well as common decency to innocent victims of Brexit

Because he was quitting, Cameron didn't feel able to bind his successor when a Cabinet Minister objected so strongly

May has caused unnecessary stress for 3 million people for 11 months and counting - her recent offer is limited and not unilateral.

Middle-aged man looking totally authentic and comfortable at Glastonbury and galvanising young people to engage in politics? What could possibly be wrong with that.

MrsMartell I access a lot of my news through Twitter those days. I follow all the major papers (except the mail as I just can't do it) as well as a lot of journalists from all sides. There are also lots of great online news sources (Buzzfeed has some excellent news coverage in my view), which use Twitter heavily. I would always encourage following people you don't agree with as much as those you do agree with.

Last July, Cameron wanted to make a unilateral offer that E27 expats could stay and he was backed by all Cabinet members - except May, who was then Home Secretary

Funny thing is, didn't the May government spin almost exactly the opposite line? Namely that last year, the UK government (of which May didn't clarify she was the spanner in the works ) had wanted to offer rights to EU citizens and the horrible EU said Nein/Non? ISTR this narrative being eagerly parroted by Leave supporters here and elsewhere and even this week something not dissimilar being claimed by the Tory minister on the most recent QT (I think it was the next morning after transmission that this story made the news).

Gosh. I've never seen anything like this before.
www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jun/24/jeremy-corbyn-calls-for-unity-in-glastonbury-speech

I think I can understand why the Glastonbury thing might make some people a bit uncomfortable but I personally quite like it. The Labour Party started as part of a wider labour movement. I'd like to see it get back to that. It's union links and mass, grassroots activism are part of its political DNA. Glastonbury is just part of that. Yes, it's a music festival, but it's also always been political and left wing too. I think it's right for the Labour Party to be active there.

I've just spent about 20 minutes reading through posts on Carole Malone's timeline. Along with the new "84% voted for hard Brexit" line, I keep seeing this one - "Leavers always knew there would be pain initially. But unlike you we're not scared and crying about it."

Can anyone cite any prominent Leave literature which made this really clear? I'm sure Leavers like the Norths will have stated this but I think they are not household name Leavers; they're certainly not Brexiteers (and their blogs/tweets show they actively despise the Brexiteers). I'm sensing this is a post-event rationalisation for many which is now being repeated to make it true/as reassurance.

The Carole Malone/Leave phenomenon is sneering about how many followers someone has on Twitter. Often someone with 50 followers will sneer at someone 49. .

Corbyn and Glastonbury seem a good fit.
Benn was down there giving speeches in his later years. Socialism is a people's movement. There are people at Glastonbury. Hope they get nice sun and that the ecology of the site recovers OK.

*Another Carole Malone/Leave phenomenon

DC at Glastonbury. Said Corbyn was amazing. He got the 100k I predicted.

He's offering a difference. He's connected to and galvanised the young. I salute what he has done. Its amazing and we need change. The young can see that. And perhaps he can do it if he can muzzle John McD

But I retain the right to stay a sceptic. As I did over Blair. It's healthy to have some of us that do

Glasto has historically been on the left
Hence they have the Left Field

www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/areas/left-field/

I have been carried out of Glastonbury in an ambulance...those were the days

JC will mess up. That's what happens. But messes are relative. May, Cameron and Banks have set the standard pretty high or low in that department.

Because you don't like Corbyn? Because you don't think politics should be a group event? Because you are something that didn't agree with you?
I don't know why I'm uncomfortable...
I'll have to watch it. I vote Labour, am a member, think Socialism is a wonderful thing, have come round a lot to Corbyn, think he's a decent, honest and principled man, it's the hero worship element maybe.

I think I'm just worried about it all going wrong.

Or it could be that curry I ate last night.

I have a 19 year old DS who has been hugely inspired by the Sanders/Corbyn thing.

Far from David Davis resigning, I heard a prediction that he would be the next PM.

The two are not mutually exclusive. And those of us old enough to remember, will know it was Geoffrey Howes resignation which triggered Thatchers downfall (although, GH did not enter the leadership race).