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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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Plonkysaurus · 11/06/2017 20:12

I have a better cabinet in my bathroom.

HashiAsLarry · 11/06/2017 20:12

@frankieboyle
I think if this leads to conflict in Northern Ireland the Tories will feel a deep regret, that they can't sell them weapons

BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 20:13

I have a better cabinet in my bathroom.

I imagine it will last longer as well.

borntobequiet · 11/06/2017 20:20

Gove on farmers not losing out after Brexit:

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/michael-gove-farmers-in-yorkshire-will-not-lose-a-penny-from-brexit-1-7996229

Good luck with that.

Sostenueto · 11/06/2017 20:21

Technical education? Are we going to see tech schools as well as grammar now? Or does she mean computer tech.?

Plonkysaurus · 11/06/2017 20:22

@ada thanks for sharing the video, I hadn't seen it. I'm no blairite but I happen to agree with AC. She sounds like a total micromanager - the worst kind of boss - and a flighty one at best with her mucking about with the DUP. His assertion that the government is going to destroy the peace process is what many here have been saying, so can't really him there. If what he says is true about the Germans regarding us as a first world failed state that's a pretty damning perspective.

He's bang on about fundamental divisions and the need for very wide participation.

woman12345 · 11/06/2017 20:23

flippinada Thank you for the clip. Campbell good on DUP and GFA. "She's playing with fire....The country has just realised she's not a prime minister. We are the first world's failed state. We are becoming a joke."

It does suggest Murdoch isnt giving up.
And gives labour a chance to fatten up their 6% lead, liaise with business leaders and EU counterparts, and build bridges within the party. Chuka knows Macron quite well. Could be a useful transition period for labour, I'd say.

Is the 1922 committee meeting televised? I'd pay good money to watch that.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 20:26

Do you have a strong and stable bathroom cabinet? Would it stand up to someone having a bad breakfast?

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flippinada · 11/06/2017 20:27

Ark @Plonky - to your cabinet comment.

I'm not a Blairite either (although I've been abuser of on here many but he's spot on about the Labour Party.

I'm not a huge fan of Corbyn either but fair play to him, he ran an excellent campaign. I hope the impetus isn't lost and we can build on it.

flippinada · 11/06/2017 20:32

*Arf. Not ark. Although there's probably some way to work that into a joke about the cabinet.

Yes, he's spot on about the DUP and the threat to the peace process, which is very fragile.

Also - I really would not like to get on the wrong side of AC. I can see why he had such a fearsome reputation.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 20:40

Samuel Lowe‏***@SamuelMarcLowe*

Gove at DEFRA is going to be interesting.

Everyone knows the replacement for the Common Fisheries Policy will look very similar to the Common Fisheries Policy, right?

I suppose it is now his job to explain this to fishermen.

Gove is a fan of @LegatumInst and Shanker Singham's analysis of Brexit. Here's their vision for UK farming:
www.ft.com/content/f6a2ae14-6533-11e6-8310-ecf0bddad227
Brexit Briefing: Agriculture anguish

Why liberalising UK agriculture to open up new export opportunities could lead to interesting regional politics.
medium.com/@SamuelMarcLowe/post-brexit-ftas-who-benefits-666eafd4bffd

And then there's this ...

JPCampbellBiz‏*@JP*_Biz
Northern Ireland farming lobby will be totally cool with all this

Samuel Lowe‏***@SamuelMarcLowe*
On the other hand, here's Gove saying “There would be no reduction in what people get from the CAP ..."

Fun.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/michael-gove-farmers-in-yorkshire-will-not-lose-a-penny-from-brexit-1-7996229/amp
Michael Gove: Farmers in Yorkshire will not lose a penny from Brexit

Anyway, all slightly moot for now.
Tory manifesto kicks decisions on CAP into next parliament. Although debate will need to begin now.

Bring on the green (or not so green? Who knows) papers ...

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squoosh · 11/06/2017 20:41

This made me laugh

mobile.twitter.com/angrysalmond/status/873855845624315905

Sostenueto · 11/06/2017 20:46

The leader of the Tory party
Had 228 men
She marched them up to the top of the hill
And she marched them down again
When they were up they were up
And when they were down they were down
But when they were only halfway up
10 of them threw their sashes in a hissy feet
And said bugger this I'm off!

Sostenueto · 11/06/2017 20:48

Lol sqoosh!

BigChocFrenzy · 11/06/2017 21:04

sostenueto Grin

George Osbourne tweeted this (obvious) cartoon from Evening Standard:

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
LurkingHusband · 11/06/2017 21:30

Can it be true even the Mail is saying she should go ?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4588498/PIERS-MORGAN-Dear-Theresa-discredited-dead-duck.html

PinkPeppers · 11/06/2017 21:34

www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/06/10/britain-the-end-of-a-fantasy/

An analysis from the other side of the Atlantic of the British shenanigans.
Last year’s triumph for Brexit has often been paired with the rise of Donald Trump as evidence of a populist surge. But most of those joining in with the ecstasies of English nationalist self-assertion were imposters. Brexit is an elite project dressed up in rough attire. When its Oxbridge-educated champions coined the appealing slogan “Take back control,” they cleverly neglected to add that they really meant control by and for the elite. The problem is that, as the elections showed, too many voters thought the control should belong to themselves.

To that I would oike to add something that has always left me wander.
British people have never liked big massive change, revolutions etc... theyve always changed things in a nice gentle way, not by throwing the king under the guillotine (like the french!)
Brexit, for me, is about as far as it can be from that way of doing things. It calls for a massive change wo return. It calls for a seismic movement and destruction of some of the thing that we all considered as 'normal and uncheageable'.
I think this is also one of the reasons why brexit isnt working. This is not the way things are done and is leaving people ost as to how to handle the situation.
My guess is, that just like they reintroduce a king after throwing him out, they will go back to the EU after Brexit. Maybe with a few modifications on the way.

hushlittlepuppy · 11/06/2017 21:41

At this point in time, what is the best and the worst we can expect here in the UK in the next 12 months -5 years? Thank you.

Artisanjam · 11/06/2017 21:42

Thanks for the link Tabitha, but I think it was more tactical than that. I'm in Oxford west so had an easy choice.

My friend is in east Oxford and agonised for some time about what to do. She felt most aligned to lib dem but didn't want to risk splitting the anti-Tory vote. I don't think she was alone.

Artisanjam · 11/06/2017 21:42

Sorry - autocorrect Tabitha = Tanith

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 21:49

Just saying...

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
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Artisanjam · 11/06/2017 21:53

Obviously just my view but I think

Best: reducing austerity and sorting out public sector pay. Investment in the NHS. Soft EEA/ customs union brexit.

Worst: cliff edge Brexit. Financial services largely leave. Tax increases fail to cover costs of NHS, us insurance cos invited to step in. Continued austerity, spiralling house prices and substantial but hidden inflation especially of food prices.

DumbledoresApprentice · 11/06/2017 21:53

Lurking- the Telegraph have been pretty brutal since the election too. I think the right wing press are more desperate for her to go than the left wing are. I think they are rattled and see her as a liability.

QuentinSummers · 11/06/2017 21:56

pink That's very astute. I hope you are right. I have always thought we won't actually brexit. Interesting to read a cultural take on it