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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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tobee · 11/06/2017 17:49

This reshuffle, to my mind, is just more of what TM is about. She just punishes people who disagree with her. She's got a really nasty attitude to Labour people and it's supporters.

OlennasWimple · 11/06/2017 17:52

Yvette Cooper has already had four years as Shadow Home Sec

citroenpresse · 11/06/2017 17:55

Am getting v. confused at the complexities of potential 'managed migration' and FOM and what Keir Starmer's view is. Cross that John McD states anything than precisely the manifesto line at this point...am a Remainer so still hoping for non-Brexit essentially (unicorn land, I know).

tobee · 11/06/2017 17:56

Just been doing a bit of googling from September 2016. How things change.

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 17:58

I think that is a fair comment Ann. The more I consider it the more I think he is doing the right thing on not reshuffling right this very second. However, while I think Corbyn is great and has achieved something amazing I am not counting too many chickens. There is still a lot to do and a lot of room for it to go horribly wrong. I do think he has earned the benefit of the doubt for a bit though.

OlennasWimple · 11/06/2017 17:59

16 Cabinet posts so far - 13 are re-appointments. Not much of a shuffle (but probably the smart thing to do, given she stood outside No 10 and said "continuity" several times?)

Tanith · 11/06/2017 18:01

" Can't believe Hunt is keeping health. Are they absolutely delusional? Do they not realise how much he is hated?"

That is, and always was, why he is Health Secretary. He is the fall guy for unpopular jobs.

He is quoted as follows in the local paper:

^
"Even though the result wasn't very close, it felt a more personal campaign because I had a party who is really campaigning on my record as Health Secretary.
I'm afraid using a lot of falsehoods about the reason on the challenges we have in the NHS but also particularly about my and the Conservative Party's motives in respect of the NHS.

It has never been anything other than making the NHS the safest health service in the world.
And I was very humbled that South West Surrey rejected those suggestions and saw them for what they were which were quite simply falsehoods and I will continue to work as an MP to make sure the quality of our health service continues to improve locally."^

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 18:02

This reshuffle, to my mind, is just more of what TM is about. She just punishes people who disagree with her. She's got a really nasty attitude to Labour people and it's supporters.

I would say this, if she hadn't kept almost everyone else the same. The only person who really got demoted was Truss, who totally failed at the principle in her job as Lord Chancellor in defending the rule of law. She was not up to the job, so right decision.

The other thing to point out is that no one else will take health as its a poison chalice.

This time I think Hunt's reappointment is more of an admission she can't even change that without upsetting the party rather than two fingers at the public. This is all about saving her own neck not what's best for the country.

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citroenpresse · 11/06/2017 18:05

No, minister
Love the idea of ministers refusing to be sacked: determined to go through the front door and refusing to leave until they get a job.

Is Anna Soubry likely to get anything. Remember her saying it was an insult being offered a number 2 job to Truss last year. Soubry's description of Nigel Farage - "he looks like somebody has put their finger up his bottom and he really rather likes it", is magnificent.

HashiAsLarry · 11/06/2017 18:18

To my mind the fact she's lost the two advisors she relied too heavily on and is now drawing in some of her closest friends shows just how weak she is.

Soubry unlikely to get anything, she's already spoken out today about how they need to take heed of the economic impacts of Brexit and that Hammond needs to be listened to more. She's not a party line person precisely why I love her even if I often don't agree with her

woman12345 · 11/06/2017 18:20

She was at college with Green's wife. She is personally and politically very vulnerable right now.

LurkingHusband · 11/06/2017 18:23

Did anyone else find the suggestion that the Tory grandees were communication via Whatsapp (which Theresa May has specifically singled out for condemnation as having end-to-end encryption baked in) a little ... pointed.

It was like a tiny extra detail of "fuck you" to Treeza.

BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 18:31

Well, obviously it's perfectly fine for the Tories use end to end encryption. Perfectly sensible. It's all those other people who clearly can't be trusted who shouldn't be allowed to use it. Hmm

NancyWake · 11/06/2017 18:32

Good article by Clegg in the FT:

Five steps for May's Salvation

Instead, she should privately and quietly explore the trade-off that a number of senior EU figures were working on immediately after the referendum last year — a commitment by the UK to pursue the least economically disruptive Brexit by maintaining participation in the single market and customs union, in return for a commitment to the reform of freedom of movement, including an “emergency brake” on unusually high levels of intra-EU immigration.

BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 18:36

Brokenshire confirmed as staying.

LurkingHusband · 11/06/2017 18:36

Well, obviously it's perfectly fine for the Tories use end to end encryption. Perfectly sensible. It's all those other people who clearly can't be trusted who shouldn't be allowed to use it.

Indeed. It does rather weaken the argument that it should be banned, or that it's now a "terrorist tool".

What is most interesting, is the most notable person who was trying to persuade us of the latter two "facts". That person being .... Theresa May ????

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 18:41

No!!! Gove at Downing At. :(

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MissShittyBennet · 11/06/2017 18:42

Brokenshire hasn't exactly distinguished himself, but it could be worse.

HashiAsLarry · 11/06/2017 18:44

Maybe she sees gove and Johnson as terrorists Grin

Dear god, please not gove anywhere

OlennasWimple · 11/06/2017 18:46

Brokenshire is another May loyalist and safe pair of hands. And it would be extreme folly to change the NI SoS in these circumstances unless there was a very very good reason

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 18:50

Technically Ron @ technicallyron
New Tory cabinet:

Hunt: Necromancy
Johnson: Buffoonery
Gove: Human species liaison
Davies: Head of Kerfuffle
Rudd: Wild card

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IrenetheQuaint · 11/06/2017 18:51

I'm reminded of one of my favourite Daily Mash skits:

www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/evil-woodland-folk-demand-return-of-gove-20160420108149

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 18:52

Leadsom moved leader of house of commons.

Bet the lucky lucky farmers get Gove.

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HashiAsLarry · 11/06/2017 18:52

@davidallengreen
^So in the critical role of getting complex Brexit legislation through Commons at speed over next year is...Andrea Leadsom.

Ho ho.^

citroenpresse · 11/06/2017 18:54

Gove - Party chairman? What's left?