Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
33
RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 15:57

Green is May's closest friend in government. Known him at university.

John Rentoul‏*@JohnRentoul*

Even at this late hour she is holding back, saving DPM for next rainy day. She thinks she can turn this round.

OP posts:
Artisanjam · 11/06/2017 15:58

First secretary if state was John Prescotts old job title - not deputy pm but senior to all other cabinet ministers. If we go back to the deputy / FSS is a way if building bridges to bits of the party not represented like with Prescott... poss good for softer Brexit.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 16:00

George Eaton@georgeeaton
Striking that both Damian Green (First Secretary of State) and Gavin Barwell (Chief of Staff) are Remainers from liberal Tory wing.

OP posts:
Artisanjam · 11/06/2017 16:02

Do you think fox, Truss and greening are currently arm wrestling for a job?!

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 16:03

Sam Coates Times‏*@SamCoatesTimes*
David Gauke - Secretary of State for Work and Pensions.

No comment about Truss.

OP posts:
HashiAsLarry · 11/06/2017 16:03

@pandamoanimum
Boris Johnson: Going to leak this fake Whatsapp convo.

Michael Gove: Can I have a cool nickname and say something profound?

BJ: No.

Grin
woman12345 · 11/06/2017 16:03

Dead cabinet walking.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 16:03

I think they are all drawing straws. Whoever gets the short one, gets health.

OP posts:
IrenetheQuaint · 11/06/2017 16:04

Nice image Artisanjam. Has Greening gone in? Thought she was out of favour due to not being a fan of grammar schools.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 16:05

David Lindington leader of the House at Downing Street

OP posts:
woman12345 · 11/06/2017 16:05

Grin Hope they enjoy themselves, can't imagine any of them will get another political job.

Artisanjam · 11/06/2017 16:06

Greening has just gone in. Truss and Fox (don't those words go well together!) are still in and have been for ages.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 16:10

Sam Coates Times‏ @SamCoatesTimes

Liz Truss as Chief Secretary to the Treasury, attending Cabinet.

Is that a promotion or demotion? Or move sideways?!

OP posts:
DumbledoresApprentice · 11/06/2017 16:12

Olenna- I mean he would need to go to the palace before a vot of confidence in him. The wording of the motion would be that the house has confidence in her majesty's government. I think he would need to see the queen before he could claim to be "her" government IYSWIM.

Artisanjam · 11/06/2017 16:12

It's below Hammond, isn't it? Out of the way where she can't do too much damage.

I hope fox hasn't got justice. He wouldn't know justice if it bit him.

Tanith · 11/06/2017 16:12

There were rumours last time that Jeremy Hunt had been sacked, then reinstated because no-one else would do the job.

I wonder if he's survived this time?

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 16:15

www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/some-tory-mps-are-reportedly-using-whatsapp-to-plan-for?utm_term=.lgv0V8Q4l#.rvwXMQK2A
Some Tory MPs Are Reportedly Using WhatsApp To Plan For Boris Johnson To Replace Theresa May
One Tory MP told BuzzFeed News the pro-Brexit MPs were using May "like a glove puppet" until they can replace her with Johnson. A member of the WhatsApp group denied the claims, however.

However, the MP who BuzzFeed News spoke to said Johnson's team were now effectively in control of May's political future: "They're using her like a glove puppet. He is running, his organisation is ready. He’s trying to sustain her long enough in place so he can kill her in place."

Jenkin, one of the members of the group, strongly denied the allegation: "We're certainly WhatsApping to support Theresa. There is no other agenda. Just forget it. Boris has WhatsApped privately his 100% support. There is a tiny number of people trying to destabilise Theresa and they have an anti-Brexit agenda.

"These pro-Remain rebels do not have the numbers. There is every possibility that Theresa May will be fighting the next general election. We suffered a shock but maybe it was deserved."

sigh

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 16:16

Jeremy Cunt is going to no 10.

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 16:17

David Allen Green‏*@davidallengreen*
MoJ: Please not Grayling. Please not Grayling. Please not Grayling. Please not Grayling. Please not Grayling. Please not Grayling.

OP posts:
BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 16:19

They are quite, quite delusional red. On the plus side the longer they carry on pretending everything is super and they 'won' the better for Labour in my view.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 16:24

Sam Coates Times‏*@SamCoatesTimes*

Dr Liam Fox has been reappointed as Secretary of State for International Trade.

OP posts:
Sunshinesuperman · 11/06/2017 16:28

I have been delighted to stumble upon this thread and want to say thanks for this sensible political discussion. As a centrist and what is commonly labelled a remainer I can't help thinking that a weaker minority May government could offer me more of what I want rather than a Labour one with its current rather anti-eu stance. I am interested in the remainers joining May's team and have my fingers crossed for a softer Brexit.

OlennasWimple · 11/06/2017 16:29

CST is a demotion from Lord Justice, I think, in that there is another, more senior Cabinet Minister in the Treasury (and no frilly uniform!)

Damien Green is one of TM's closest allies - this is her building her new support network around her in the absence of Fi and Nick. He is a real safe pair of hands, but not one to set the electorate on fire.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 16:35

Justine Greening keeps job in education

OP posts: