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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 15:20

I come back to the fact that TM was premature skipping along to the Palace on Friday. It's all just a complete mess.

She was, but it was a desperate attempt to save her job. She figured it would be harder to push her out once she had been to the queen. I have to wonder what the queen is thinking about all this though.

Gove's a toxic brand

Sure is! His promotion will just help cement labour's new support from women and the young.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 15:20

Cabinet Reshuffle in progress.

Tradition now that only MPs getting promotion / moved to similar level only, go to no 10. Demotions done by the back door.

Liz Truss (currently Justice) has gone into No10

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woman12345 · 11/06/2017 15:20

faisalislam 4h4 hours ago
@faisalislam
Yvette Cooper: "May position is not tenable... and also she doesnt have the skills to deal with a Hung Parliament"

A better politician than May could manoeuvre through this situation. Major did well to keep the tory party together for as long as he did. May is simply not up to it.

DumbledoresApprentice · 11/06/2017 15:21

Olenna- I just checked the cabinet manual and he actually wouldn't need a proper QS but a motion of confidence. I think that still involves going to the palace first to get the green light from Queenie but HM doesn't need to come and do the speech in parliament.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 15:23

About the Johnson / Gove WhatsApp messages

Tim Montgomerie @montie

Politicians don't always say the same things in more private conversations #notpointingfingersatanyoneinparticular

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RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 15:24

Damien Green now going into No10. Loyal friend to May. Remainer.

No news about Truss yet.

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woman12345 · 11/06/2017 15:24

Grin^

woman12345 · 11/06/2017 15:26

That grin was about Govey and Boris. Who in their right mind would take a cabinet position right now?

BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 15:26

So this tweet suggests Brokenshire is staying.

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
HashiAsLarry · 11/06/2017 15:29

Ah bigly my mistake. I read the tweet wrong. Probably would have been more obvious if I'd copied and pasted Blush
Glad it doesn't mean a potential dup ni secretary though, which was a tweet to Faisal Islam

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 15:31

Surely Hunt must be going from Health?

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BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 15:31

Everything is changing so fast, I wouldn't count on anything staying the same for long.

BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 15:32

We can but dream red. Do the conservatives have the self awareness to realise what a problem he is for them though? Not much sign of that at the moment...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/06/2017 15:33

Jeremy Corbyn ✔@jeremycorbyn
Cancellation of President Trump's State Visit is welcome, especially after his attack on London's mayor & withdrawal from #ParisClimateDeal.
2:47 PM - 11 Jun 2017

woman12345 · 11/06/2017 15:39

Trump cancelled.Smile Hands across the ocean.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 15:41

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*

David Gauke now entering Number 10

David Allen Green‏*@davidallengreen*
A Hung Parliament is, in principle, great as it restricts law-making to minimum and necessary.
But: not compatable with A50 2 year period.
Cannot see (easily) how a Hung Parliament and 2 year A50 period can co-exist.
At least one will have to change. A majority or more time.
Domestic legislative side of Brexit needs government confident of getting complex legislstion through quickly.
Do not have that on any view.
Not just the Commons. The lack of a majority for any manifesto means Lords not subject to Salisbury Convention, so possible delays/blocks.
And confidence-and-supply support from DUP by definition will not cover most government bills.
No minister or official can have any confidence any government bills will get passed without heavy amendment, delays, or at all.
Frustrating enough for government at any time. Must be impossible with strict two year A50 period.
And remember: three months into A50 period, We still do not even have a draft Great Repeal Bill, let alone one put before parliament.
Hung Parliaments are, for liberals, great in principle, but this is worst moment to have one for any government wanting to do Brexit.

/ends

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RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 15:45

Siobhan Fenton‏*@SiobhanFenton*
Breaking- Gerry Adams says power-sharing talks in NI tomorrow may require an independent chair due to Conservatives' compromised neutrality

Liam Fox has gone to no. 10.

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RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 15:47

Jessica Elgot‏*@jessicaelgot*
Damian Green appointed First Secretary of State and Minister for the Cabinet Office.

I have no idea what that is either.

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Danglingmod · 11/06/2017 15:48

Was thinking earlier, could the issue be solved by an independent chair of the talks?

OlennasWimple · 11/06/2017 15:49

dumbledore -JC wouldn't need to go to the palace before another vote of no confidence, he would only go there once the PM had resigned and it was clear that no other Tory MP could lead the government in her place, AND that he had the confidence of Parliament to be able to form a minority government.

Extract from the Cabinet Manual below (my emphasis):

Where an election does not result in
an overall majority for a single party,
the incumbent government remains in
office unless and until the Prime Minister
tenders his or her resignation and the
Government’s resignation to the Sovereign.
An incumbent government is entitled to
wait until the new Parliament has met to
see if it can command the confidence of
the House of Commons, but is expected to
resign if it becomes clear that it is unlikely
to be able to command that confidence
and there is a clear alternative.
2.13 Where a range of different administrations
could potentially be formed, political
parties may wish to hold discussions to
establish who is best able to command
the confidence of the House of Commons
and should form the next government. The
Sovereign would not expect to become
involved in any negotiations, although there
are responsibilities on those involved in
the process to keep the Palace informed.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 15:50

EU to chair the talks???

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BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 15:50

Just for your delectation here are the screenshots of Johnsons WhatsApp messages.

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
IrenetheQuaint · 11/06/2017 15:51

Does that mean Damian Green is sort of deputy prime minister? He was a safeish pair of hands at DWP but I don't know much more about him.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 15:52

Ian Dunt‏*@IanDunt*
Interesting. May makes pro-EU Damian Green First Secretary of State and Minister for the Cabinet Office.
First secretary of state a very strange, mercurial position, not always in use. But could potentially suggest a softening of Brexit position

What is it? How? Why?

Tell me more Ian!

Jessica Elgot‏*@jessicaelgot*
No10: Greg Clark keeps his job at BEIS

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HashiAsLarry · 11/06/2017 15:53

Having had a quick google as to that title in British terms, it seems a position often held by a deputy pm. Suggests no deputy maybe?

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