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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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TheElementsSong · 10/06/2017 18:15

Some people will never admit that anyone could ever not want the same things as they do despite the very people they are talking about shouting it at them repeatedly.

Theresa May Grin

Badders123 · 10/06/2017 18:15

My prediction is open Tory revolt by Monday

BiglyBadgers · 10/06/2017 18:23

I have just bought DH and I saboteur badges to celebrate the fight back. DH loves a good badge Grin

www.markthomasinfo.co.uk/store/#!/Saboteur-badge/p/84501146/category=13417861

OlennasWimple · 10/06/2017 18:23

Formal coalition.... Surely, surely not.... (Not least because they don't have the calibre of politician to appoint to a Cabinet position, IMHO)

Education in NI was run by SF for years, pointythings, (it was Martin McGuinness's ministry post-GFA) though the most recent incumbent before direct rule was re-introduced was a DUP minister

TheElementsSong · 10/06/2017 18:30

Brexiteer Andrew Lilico, having been absolutely desperate for us the Great British People to take back control from those horrible Euroweenies, is now hoping that the Queen will save him from the Great British People taking back control and horribly voting in the wrong way.

twitter.com/joolsd/status/873549426882695168

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 18:32

Final Turnout GE 2017
46,843,896 (total electorate 68,186,166)
68.7%

Final Turnout Ref
46,501,241 (total electorate 64,406,151)
72.2%

That's 342,655 more voters this year.

It has to be significantly more remainers. The breakdown takes a few weeks to come out, and it will be interesting to see the gender and age group turnout. There is going to be some unexpected stuff in their I suspect.

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squoosh · 10/06/2017 18:33

They could save a lot of the education budget by getting rid of science and sex ed classes.

annandale · 10/06/2017 18:35

LOL squoosh. But the sort of LOL that ends with a Hmm face.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 18:37

BBC Newsnight‏*@BBCNewsnight*
Former UKIP leader @Nigel_Farage says UK may be headed towards “Norway-type” Brexit #newsnight

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citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 18:40

Dutch newspapers extremely scathing. Pointing out how Brussels, ironically, might have preferred a landslide so that UK could just GET ON WITH IT regarding Brexit, but also, that they now smell blood. How can the UK make an alliance with an anti-abortion party AND support the GFA. Absolute chaos ahead. Cabinet seats to DUP? When it was a fight to share with the LibDems and their 50 seats? Who the hell is advising May?

HashiAsLarry · 10/06/2017 18:42

Former UKIP leader @Nigel_Farage says UK may be headed towards “Norway-type” Brexit #newsnight
What, like the one he suggested all those months ago?

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 18:42

The most important issue when it came to deciding how to vote in the general election?

13% of Conservatives regarded 'the right leadership / the best PM' as their main reason for choosing how to vote.

Oh.
That worked out well.

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 18:45

Hashi, rate we are going we will be back to Farage wanting another referendum.

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pointythings · 10/06/2017 18:45

citroen have you read this? (Sorry, it's in Dutch and I haven't the will to do an ad hoc translation). It's snarky, but it makes some sharp points.

HashiAsLarry · 10/06/2017 18:49

Haha rtb maybe Corbyn has done enough to turn the clocks back to pre June 😂

squoosh · 10/06/2017 18:50

In the LA Times a columnist so appalled by Corbyn said 'the British election is a reminder of the perils of too much democracy'

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 18:51

Paul Brand‏ @PaulBrandITV
BREAKING: Former Tory MP Gavin Barwell has been appointed new Downing Street Chief of Staff to replace Hill/Timothy.

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BiglyBadgers · 10/06/2017 18:54

'the British election is a reminder of the perils of too much democracy'

Idiot Hmm

howabout · 10/06/2017 18:57

squoosh did he go by the name of Steve Hilton?

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 18:58

This Gavin Barwell who was involved in an election u turn

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-housing-policy-u-turn-affordable-homes-general-election-2017-manifesto-a7769866.html
Tories U-turn on plan to build more socially rented council housing
Plan to build genuinely affordable homes ditched by housing minister

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BiglyBadgers · 10/06/2017 19:00

This Gavin Barwell who was involved in an election u turn

Well, that fills me with confidence Hmm

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 19:01

Will Heaven‏*@WillHeaven*
@GavinBarwell new Downing Street Chief of Staff. Remainer, very good on benefits of immigration. All-round moderniser.

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citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 19:01

Ha, pointythings, nothing really to disagree with at all there. Lemming like behaviour, chaos, hate the suggestion that the Brits will cosy up to Trump. Parool had "May moet nu polderen" (that made me laugh). The concept of consensual behaviour couldn't be truer for the Tories. If you are in NL, have you seen the British Embassy are holding some Brexit meetings in the next couple of weeks?

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 19:02

When I say truer, what I meant was what is needed couldn't be truer. But the concept of the Tories engaging in that model. hahahah. etc.

ElenaGreco123 · 10/06/2017 19:03

Was Gavin Barwell minister for housing?