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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 19:10

Yes he was.

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citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 19:17

ConservativeHome suggested he should be looked at. They are also suggesting "She might want to look to the Lords, and ask, say, James Arbuthnot, Anne Jenkin or Martin Callanan if any are available". Maybe more names to look out for...

pointythings · 10/06/2017 19:18

citroen I am not in NL, I am a Dutch person in the UK. Hence my serious case of schadenfreude - I have been pretty damn miserable since the EU Referendum. But I do keep up with Dutch politics and made damn sure I voted in the Dutch elections this year - doing my bit to kick Wilders back into the dirt. I have been enjoying the Dutch press the past two days.

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 19:19

Re Ruth Davidson they say Bute House rather than Downing Street is her target but "Davidson should have a standing invite to attend Political Cabinet, just as Boris Johnson did when he was Mayor of London – and encouraged to speak her mind, even when what emerges is inconvenient, when on Brexit, the DUP or anything else".

OlennasWimple · 10/06/2017 19:20

Barwell must have been one of the people to whom TM apologised, who "shouldn't have lost their job"

On one hand he seems the typical Chief of Staff type (CCHQ staffer, SpAd then political posts himself), but at least his background is a bit more normal than many others who have these roles

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 19:22

Gareth Davies‏*@Gareth*_Davies09
Barwell was a hard-working, liberal-minded Tory MP, with experience as a Government whip. Can see sense in appointment

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boldlygoingsomewhere · 10/06/2017 19:24

Pointy, that was a good article. I also read the Dutch language press of The Netherlands and Belgium to give me an alternative viewpoint. It does feel like we are stuck in some sort of surreal political sitcom.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 19:29

Press Association‏*@PA*

#Breaking The DUP have agreed to an outline agreement to support the Tories on a "confidence and supply basis", Downing Street said.

No coalition as May wanted then? Negotiations went well then....

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citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 19:29

pointythings ensuring protection for EU citizens in the UK is the EU's top priority for Brexit negotiations - and (lucky you), you'll still be a member of the EU! No puff of white smoke for a Dutch coalition yet but talks about to get going again it seems.

OlennasWimple · 10/06/2017 19:32

Thumbnails of some of the new MPs - interesting, even if I rather suspect that Ben Lake (aged only 24) stood for the experience and never expected to actually win

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 19:37

< my take >

why May has been so determined to go for a hard Brexit, with the FOM, ECJ redlines

I have assumed that May made a deal with the Tory Party grandees / "men in grey suits", to get through the rounds of MPs voting and in particular when Leadsom stood down:

Last summer, in return for not having to face election by Tory members, May had to agree to

  1. a hard Brexit
  2. probably also has to agree to handing over to a new younger leader in 2020-2021 after the Brexit deal was approved and in good time to bed in before winning the next GE

Now, May is facing catastrophe
The men in grey suits are just agreeing which cabinet minister to appoint in her place as PM
Then they will come for her.

A new PM can make a fresh start: a suitable opportunity to change policy and go for EEA / EFTA
IFF the men in grey have decided that neither the voters nor the big business donors will tolerate the effects of a hard Brexit

pointythings · 10/06/2017 19:38

Citroen at least we know countries can function without a government. The Netherlands has a ways to go before it beats the Belgian record.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 19:39

Well you can't argue with this

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
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Golondrina · 10/06/2017 19:41

Spain was without a government for a year and the economy actually grew more in that year.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 19:41

I was always surprised by how May, who was not the most obvious candidate for PM, who did not have a party power base, came through to become leader.

I now think it was because only she was prepared to make that particular deal with the men in grey

  • hard Brexit and to stand aside in 2021-2022.
SwedishEdith · 10/06/2017 19:44

Everyone else dropped out though. Unless you mean she negotiated behind scenes before putting herself forward?

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 19:46

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-result-plymouth-sutton-and-devonport-postal-votes-6000-polling-stations-labour-conservative-a7783736.html
Election result: 6,500 votes 'lost' in same marginal Plymouth seat where polling stations turned people away
Follows string of problems for city's council including undelivered postal votes and missing names from electoral register

More than 6,500 votes from an entire ward were “lost” in one of Britain's most marginal constituenciesduring the general election.

Plymouth City Council failed to include votes from the Efford and Lipson ward in the final count numbers for the Plymouth Sutton and Devonport constituency.

Labour’s Luke Pollard won the seat from Tory incumbent Oliver Colvile in Thursday’s vote, but the discrepancy meant his reported margin of 6,002 was drastically lower than it should have been, the Plymouth Herald reported.

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howabout · 10/06/2017 19:46

citroen the cabinet already has a Secretary of State for Scotland - David Mundell so no need for Struth to turn up. He has just delivered the 3 neighbouring seats to his in the Borders so pretty sure he will stay in post. A couple of candidates in the North East for Andrea's job though Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 19:47

After seeing how the LibDems suffered electorally, no small party with a sense of self-preservation wants to be the very junior party in a coalition

"Confidence and supply" commits them to nothing; they take it on a bill by bill basis.
They have maximum influence on govt, because all bills have to be agreed with them in advance, except for those with cross party support.
No (unlikely) cabinet post or junior ministerial post would give them anything like this influence, especially in a modern cabinet dominated by the PM

They can reject any bill they don't like and / or criticise the govt, whereas a minister would be bound by collective responsibility to toe the line

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 19:47

Something agreement was done to force Leadsom out the race. It wasn't just 'as a mother' interview.

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SwedishEdith · 10/06/2017 19:48

Vincent McAviney‏Verified account @Vinny_LBC

Gavin Barwell literally wrote a book called 'How To Win A Marginal Seat' and then lost the 4th most marginal seat in the country.

howabout · 10/06/2017 19:49

Bigchoc the May coronation always looked like a stitch up to me. I interpreted it as the Remain side of the Party posturing that only a Remainer could carry both sides of the Party. Now that has been disproved I think it could well go the other way.

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 19:49

They absolutely can pointythings. Proper discussions about crucial issues such as immigration and how to resolve party differences where they can reflect what people voted for. Another world.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 19:51

swedish I think the reason why May got through all the MP voting rounds and why Loathsome dropped out was because May had a deal with the men in grey suits, i.e. the power brokers within the Tory party.

(imo) The price for May becoming PM was to agree to hard Brexit with all the red lines to avoid any Tory party fights
and to take the flak for the aftermath, then step aside in 2020-2021 for the shiny new leader to win the next GE

OlennasWimple · 10/06/2017 19:51

BigChoc - she was basically the last grown up standing (I think that's how Laura K put it on election night too), especially after Gove stuck his knife into Boris's back

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