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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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annandale · 02/06/2017 23:23

[Sorry - only just catching up - Gove to Northern Ireland? Red, say it ain't so? Where did that come from? ]

BigChocFrenzy · 02/06/2017 23:23

MrsH I think you're supposed to give them a lecture on making better choices in life - then give them a Tardis so they can redo their life

SwedishEdith · 02/06/2017 23:24

*MsHoolies" - I read about your patient earlier. Horrible. Sad

RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 23:24

I do find Neil's tone and comments curious. He's kipperish end of Tory. Which is why he didn't give Farron even half a chance this week. By contrast he held back on May though did push. As this campaign has gone on, you can almost feel him get more and more frustrated with May to the point that you almost feel he would like shot of her.

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Valentine2 · 02/06/2017 23:26

MsHoolies
I think you and your colleagues are worth your weight in gold. I cried watching that disabled girl in the debate today. It was so heartbreaking. I have no words.

HashiAsLarry · 02/06/2017 23:28

mrshoolies just went back to find that post. Awful bastards. I'm glad there's kind people like you out there but there shouldn't be this need for it Flowers

BestIsWest · 02/06/2017 23:28

@misshooliescardigan I wish I could say I was genuinely shocked but I'm no longer surprised by the actions of this government. However Flowers for you and heartfelt thanks for the work you do.

BestIsWest · 02/06/2017 23:30
  • ms not miss sorry
RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 23:32

[Sorry - only just catching up - Gove to Northern Ireland? Red, say it ain't so? Where did that come from? ]

It's a rumour. The rumours could well be pressuring for position or power within the party.

Where's Hammond is an interesting on. He's rumoured to be 50:50 for the chop. But equally if the.chancellor is no where to be seen, he can't be asked about the cost of Brexit.

Johnson is in or out depending on the rumour.

Gummer is supposedly in somewhere (Brexit Department). But Chris Greyling her lapdog who promoted her for the leadership was only rewarded with transport. He had been marked up for a higher job.

I must say changing Davis at Brexit sept doesn't seem terribly strong or stable either.

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 23:33

Especially if Brexit negotiations start on 19th...

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woman12345 · 02/06/2017 23:37

MrsHoolies. Flowers

SwedishEdith · 02/06/2017 23:37

Andrew Neil is quite a nasty bloke on Twitter but, when it comes to the big stuff, I do think he's equally harsh on both sides. I'd say he has little tolerance for Kippers when on This Week (and positively loves the Lib Dem person - whose name momentarily escapes me). So, he's quite an enigma although clearly right wing.

Peregrina · 02/06/2017 23:38

Funnily enough, I think Gove was doing a decent enough job at Justice, and I think it was spiteful of TM to move him. Jeremy Hunt was the one who should have been cast out into outer darkness.

In fact, Gove smoothed the way for her - if he hadn't stood BoJo wouldn't have had the ready made excuse of not standing. He would have had to have come up with something that sounded a little bit plausible, because we and he knows Brexit is a poisoned chalice. I am not sure even now if Theresa May has twigged that.

Cailleach1 · 02/06/2017 23:40

Is it John Nicolson, Swedish? I must admit I am at a loss as to why Suzanne Evans is always on. The party have no mp's and she herself is not a public representative. Yet she is on so often.

Cailleach1 · 02/06/2017 23:41

Sorry, he is SNP.

Artisanjam · 02/06/2017 23:52

Gove was not terrible at justice. He was brilliant compared to Chris Grayling and Liz Truss - possibly he is scared of judges, even though some of them are also experts!

woman12345 · 02/06/2017 23:53

positively loves the Lib Dem person Miranda Green. Swedish

Gummer is supposedly in somewhere (Brexit Department
Gummer who fed his daughter burgers to prove they weren't poisonous.

What a bunch. They really are a crew. Macron and Merkel must be having a jolly good laugh.

Neil's nutty but not daft. He can see what the May is, hence 'curious' tone.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 02/06/2017 23:55

Placemark

RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 23:55

Suzanne Evans is like the annoying neighbour who crashes your family barbecue or a party with close friends. Then doesn't take the hint when you tell her to fuck off as she wasn't invited and you are unimpressed at her drinking all your beer.

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SwedishEdith · 02/06/2017 23:56

Miranda Green - "Cailleach1"

I think they just have Suzanne Evans on because she shows up. They treat her as a figure to mock, I feel.

RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 23:56

Gummer who fed his daughter burgers to prove they weren't poisonous

No not that Gummer. That's his dad who fed him and sister.

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SwedishEdith · 02/06/2017 23:58

"Gummer who fed his daughter burgers to prove they weren't poisonous."

No, it'll be his son. I posted something from him ages ago - very, very remain, I seem to remember.

woman12345 · 03/06/2017 00:01

That's his dad who fed him and sister.
OK, now I'm officially old. Smile Glad I made it this far!

Valentine2 · 03/06/2017 00:01

So that means Brexit department will go to a very Remain person? I didn't see that one coming.

SwedishEdith · 03/06/2017 00:11

order-order.com/2017/06/02/fanatical-remainer-gummer-said-brexit-made-him-sick-to-his-stomach/

No-one changes their mind that quickly at all. So, good, if this appointment is true. Starmer was also sick to his stomach at the result. I, secretly, think both parties will aim for a deal that looks like we're still in EU but looks like we've left. But with the Tories you get all the extra shit you get with the Tories.

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