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Brexit

Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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BluePeppers · 02/06/2017 20:15

Still following

Bearbehind · 02/06/2017 20:20

Another u-turn

This Tory campaign really is the gift that keeps on giving isn't it?

BestIsWest · 02/06/2017 20:25

That's a cracking photo of Teresa May attached to that article Bear. Bit mean of The Independent

Valentine2 · 02/06/2017 20:25

I think that at this rate, the manifesto is not even worth the weight of paper even.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 02/06/2017 20:41

This is an interesting article on student registrations. May not be the saving grace that Labour is hoping.

www.politics.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/exclusive-newly-registered-voters-focused-on-student-seats

Peregrina · 02/06/2017 20:48

surfer did re surface yesterday. I can't remember what it was about.

woman12345 · 02/06/2017 20:49

Is it just me, but is she crap on QT. She just said something very odd about Diane Abbot and Criminal Data Base.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 02/06/2017 20:50

Is it just me, but is she crap on QT.

No she is doing a lot better than she has.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/06/2017 20:55

I do like one thing about May:
She's the only person who looks worse in photos than I do !

(she really must be trying to dislodge bits of kitten fur from her rear gnashers)

RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 20:55

She's not having a terrible performance. There are some good questions but she's still not really answering.

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woman12345 · 02/06/2017 20:56

'If you can tell us the floor, why can't you tell us the cap?' good question and no answer.

Bearbehind · 02/06/2017 20:59

Why can no one ask the bloody obvious question of 'if you are willing to consult on a social care cap why wont you consult on Brexit'?

TheElementsSong · 02/06/2017 21:00

She's definitely doing better than on Monday. Although still basically loads of soundbites and slogans.

RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 21:01

Momentum‏*@PeoplesMomentum*
Take a drink every time May says 'Magic Money Tree'.

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woman12345 · 02/06/2017 21:03

Great question from partially sighted woman who was asked in detail about suicide attempts.

PedaloBar · 02/06/2017 21:03

God that poor young woman having to share that to seek justice.

TM's waffle is an insult.

woman12345 · 02/06/2017 21:05

Yes PedaloBar

woman12345 · 02/06/2017 21:23

Didn't do very well on the conscious cruelty questions......unless she's after the conscious cruelty vote.

Why do you care less about children than a labour government?
"We will ensure that no school sees a funding cut due to unfair funding".? Hmm

"I have actually talked to Donald Trump".

You are a very big potato, Mrs May. Atm

Cheers for JC, as he walks on stage. Did she get cheers?

Tariff free trade access to Europe is the aim.

woman12345 · 02/06/2017 21:24

@TomMcTague
If this is a Brexit election May wins comfortably. If it's an austerity election, it's going to be FAR closer.

Valentine2 · 02/06/2017 21:39

Yeah fine. Corbyn wins it hands down. It can only be karma that May got the best beating the MHS nurse

HashiAsLarry · 02/06/2017 21:45

Dear lord the trident debate was awful. I don't know in what circumstances I'd use a nuclear weapon ffs.

Cailleach1 · 02/06/2017 21:50

Hate that lying by omission on the Irish referendums on Nice and Lisbon. The context for both had changed for the second referendum.

For Nice, the Irish gov't "obtained the Seville Declaration on Ireland's policy of military neutrality". The worry over compromising Ireland's neutrality was assuaged.

For Lisbon, 'the Irish government renegotiated the terms of the Treaty, adding areas where Ireland would have specific exclusions,[clarification needed] which could be presented in a second referendum.' This was as a protocol.

There was also a vote on an amendment to the Irish Constitution at the same time as the second Lisbon referendum basically protecting Ireland's neutrality again. Tax and abortion issues as well.

To state the same choice was just thrown at the electorate twice is mendacious. The obstacles were removed. How wonderful that the other countries of the EU worked by consensus on this and worked with Ireland.

Also to say that the big bold 'EU' as a big removed entity were forcing this on people is bogeyman politics. The gov't's of the member countries of the EU agreed on these treaties and signed these treaties. The UK was one of them.

It is a canard to throw this out as a symbol of how big and bad the EU is. Deceitful. And bullsh*t.

Sorry to be lazy using quotes. I'm tired.

Zxyzoey31 · 02/06/2017 21:52

He didn't answer the trident question, he came across very badly on that.

TheElementsSong · 02/06/2017 21:54

I don't know in what circumstances I'd use a nuclear weapon ffs.

There's a whole lot of angry shouty people in the audience who would, apparently, totally get off on firing nuclear weapons at foreign lands. And firing them first. Scary scary people.

Cailleach1 · 02/06/2017 21:54

Yes, the measurement of her sight distance was an afterthought. One of the reasons she was applying was put at a poor second to some other agenda.

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