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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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HashiAsLarry · 06/06/2017 13:22

Contemplating putting a bet on a Tory landslide. Simply because my history at betting is appalling and that may kill off the chances. What do you reckon?

Though I'm not to sure I want to help president pob. Not least because real pob probably has more coherent ideas on how to run a country

woman12345 · 06/06/2017 13:36

This Rudd story is now mainstream.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/amber-rudd-saudi-arabia-speech-shut-down-claims-nicholas-wilson-a7774126.html

Wondering how Saudi and Qatar snit will pan out for President Pob and secretary of state Rudd:

^Gulf plunged into diplomatic crisis as countries cut ties with Qatar
Qatari diplomats ejected and land, air and sea traffic routes cut off in row over terror and regional stability^

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/05/saudi-arabia-and-bahrain-break-diplomatic-ties-with-qatar-over-terrorism

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/06/2017 13:38

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Whatever the national polls suggest - leaders' visits suggest Tories mainly playing attack, Labour playing more defensively

Couldn't be much more middle england than the stoke and staffs seats - PM's latest visit today

PM looks delighted to be in closing stages of the campaign

Tories trying to make play today with what they claim labour 'small print' that suggests they'd take away marriage tax allowance

Asked about 3rd attacker PM says they have given sec services he powers they need and won't allow way of life to affect biz as usual

Applause as she mentions the 8 minutes it took for police to find the attackers

Tories heckling today too - reporter jeered for asking about negative campaigning and attacks on Corbyn

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May on whether Trump visit shld be kicked into long grass (Warsi view): she says Trump was wrong on Khan but doesn't answer on state visit

RedToothBrush · 06/06/2017 13:39

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/15330571.UPDATED__Overturned_Tory____ad_van____labelled_as_sign_of_party___s____weak_and_wobbly____campaign/#

Weak and wobbly taken to new level.

Tory poster van closes three lanes of the M6 at bottom neck point.

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LurkingHusband · 06/06/2017 13:42

Fuck me, Michael 'Lady Macbeth's puppet' Gove for PM?

Which echoes a point I made much earlier asking what the issues would be if sometime (presumably soon) after this election, the Tories decide to change leader ?

Could UK politics continue for a full five years like that ?

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 06/06/2017 13:51

Like I said before, if the Labour front bench hadn't thrown its toys out of the pram last summer, we wouldn't be having this conversation about Dianne Abbott.

BiglyBadgers · 06/06/2017 14:16

I am starting to wonder if Abbot was ill for the A50 vote and continues to seem ill whether she would have stayed in place if the election had been held at the expected time in a few years. The snap election would have forced her to stay whether she wanted to or not. Realistically there was no way she could stand down once it had been called as it would have caused uproar about Corbyn being deserted by his cabinet allies. The press would have decimated labour for it. I am and have never been an Abbot fan, but she has been attacked far more than other MPs who are similarly incompetent. I sort of feel sorry for her if she ill and doesn't really want to be there anyway. I know I am speculating wildly, but I won't be at all surprised if she steps down from the cabinet on health grounds soon after the election.

BiglyBadgers · 06/06/2017 14:17

That should say 'i am not and...'

LurkingHusband · 06/06/2017 14:35

I am and have never been an Abbot fan, but she has been attacked far more than other MPs who are similarly incompetent.

Maybe her outstanding hypocrisy - and slightly suspect racialist attempts to dismiss it - have left a sour taste ?

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Badders123 · 06/06/2017 14:49

I'm not even looking at polls anymore
No one has a clue

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 06/06/2017 14:52

I think it's interesting if you look at what canversers are saying. Which seems to be at odds with the polls.

woman12345 · 06/06/2017 14:52

There's a big difference between a TM's 'rally' in furniture storage warehouse to 100 chosen supporters and this
"Over 5,000 people can't get in to the Labour Party rally in Gateshead because it's full, Here's people trying to get nearer to the building to try to hear Jeremy Corbyn's speech inside".
#VoteLabour #ge2017 #ForTheMany in Gateshead.

Either JC is running scared, or this is an attempt to avoid the rustbelt complacency which lost for HC.

Even with a landslide, it's a funny old mandate TM/Pob will have.

woman12345 · 06/06/2017 14:55

Unless it's fake news and there's free stotty cake. Grin

I was born in Gateshead. It's not posh. So not many of these supporters are after 'middle class' 'freebies' like tuition fees.

Looking a lot like the kipper vote JC's chasing too.

TheElementsSong · 06/06/2017 15:00

Awful weather here today, lashing rain and howling gales. Feels very fitting for my mood around this election, all the ugliness that has been happening, and my fears for the future Sad.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 06/06/2017 15:02

Rallies don't equal votes. Never has.

Didn't go well for Foot did it.

It is a big Labour majority area. He needs to win marginals not increase votes in seats with majorities into the thousands.

citroenpresse · 06/06/2017 15:10

Piglet there are fewer marginals this time round and if you look at where May and Corbyn have focussed their campaigns, they are not chasing the same seats and clearly have v. different campaign strategies. Re rallies, Corbyn has campaigned in solid Labour seats, and actually, it DOES seem to be working...

Peregrina · 06/06/2017 15:14

IMO Corbyn is campaigning in 'solid' Labour seats because these are the ones which are supposedly under threat from a UKIP switch to the Tories. Corbyn was seen to be toxic to traditional Labour, but now he's getting out and about people are revising their opinions, and maybe he will retain the seats.

LurkingHusband · 06/06/2017 15:15

Over 5,000 people can't get in to the Labour Party rally in Gateshead because it's full

Some of us, of a certain age, will remember Sheffield, 1992 ...

'nuff said ?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 06/06/2017 15:16

IMO Corbyn is campaigning in 'solid' Labour seats because these are the ones which are supposedly under threat from a UKIP switch to the Tories.

Or because he is preparing for another leadership challenge after the election.

squoosh · 06/06/2017 15:18

Everywhere I go this week I seem to see my Green candidate (the only reason I recognise him is because he's also the leader of Scottish Greens). So far this week I've seen him in Morrison's, on the subway, and canvassing on my street. He’s a well-known face and this is his first time standing in the Westminster elections rather than Holyrood so I'll be very interested to see how he does. The SNP guy comfortably beat the Labour candidate in 2015 so it will be interesting to see if the pro Independence vote splits between them or stays SNP.

Peregrina · 06/06/2017 15:19

Some of us, of a certain age, will remember Sheffield, 1992 ...
'nuff said ?

It's not really the same - Kinnock thought he had it in the bag. This time it's May who thought she would have it in the bag.

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