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Westministenders – 10 days to go

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 11:48

The Maynifesto is out (lets be honest here; other Manifestos are just exercises in dreaming). The rumours of what will happen post Election are in full swing.

The Conservatives are ‘relaunching’ their campaign after Theresa May’s single handed attempt at throwing the election, has needed an intervention.

Yet the reality is that May will win. And win comfortably, increasing her majority. Talk of a Corbyn surge is just that. Talk. He still is more than 5% behind and the excitement about how the gap has closed is getting carried away. Indeed it only helps the Conservatives to get their vote out. Corbyn also started from such a dreadful position, it just makes the effect look more dramatic than it really is and May was always going to struggle to get much more support after the local election peak.

The thing is none of the political parties are covering themselves in glory. No one is offering what people want. In terms of voters not being impressed by their leadership, I don’t think many are really happy and are just going for the best available option out of a particular bad crop. It does not bode well for the future regardless of who wins. We should be worried about the quality of debate and our representatives regardless of who we end up voting for.

Come election night there are going to be some particularly shocking results. The idea that there is a national trend is not right. This election is highly localised in nature. Which will result in these surprises to outsiders but perhaps not locals.

June 9th will make for a lot of soul searching I suspect. For all three parties. There will be leadership questions that remain unanswered and need to be resolved. There are still massive political divides in parties. Heads will roll and need to be replaced. Expectations and the reality have been out of line for all three in one way or another.

Yet all of this is a side show to an extent. Whilst we all scrabble around trying to work it out amongst ourselves, the rest of the world moves forward without us. And the clock ticks.

Merkel has set the tone for the next round of Brexit. It is regarded by the German political elite as ‘Trumpandbrexit’. We are part of the same phenomenon even though many see it through different eyes in this country. This lack of awareness of how we are perceived outside our own walls is something we will face head on at some point and it won’t be good.

Trump himself is up to his neck in scandal. And has risked our safety as a direct result. May might have held her hand but that relationship does not seem to be going well for us. We are between a rock and a hard place and are drifting out to see.

Global Britain has never seemed so lonely and isolated. The rosy future we were promised, becomes ever more a distant dream rather than a dawn of a new age.

Reality will get us in the end.

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:42

Good opening question by Paxman. May already off guard and stalling for time.

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Bearbehind · 29/05/2017 21:43

Omfg , she's fucking it up already.

It's everyone else's fault.

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:44

We haven't got past question 1 yet. She's struggling over it.

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:46

Nigel Farage‏ @Nigel_Farage
I may not agree with @jeremycorbyn but he came across as being totally sincere. Paxman didn't score any goals .

!!!!!!!!!

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BluePeppers · 29/05/2017 21:46

Joining the new thread

BiglyBadgers · 29/05/2017 21:49

What the fuck! Did I just read that right? Farage praising Corbyn? I think I might be a bit sick. I can only assume this is some cunning plan by the right to discredit him.

Bearbehind · 29/05/2017 21:50

I now love paxman- she looks a complete fuckwit.

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:51

If May could order a drone strike right now. I wouldn't like to be sat across the table from her.

"A blow-hard who collapses at the first sign of gunfire."
Ouch.

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:54

Kevin Maguire‏*@Kevin*_Maguire (Mirror)
May letting Paxo poke fun at her. Needs to push back like Corbyn. She looks a victim

Tim Shipman‏*@ShippersUnbound* (Times - Con leaning reporter)
Paxman doing better now by not interrupting as much

^ Code for May is getting eaten alive.

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:59

Alastair Campbell‏*@campbellclaret*

I fear that the more dull 'ensure' has replaced 'strong and stable' as soundbite of choice. France has Macron. Germany Merkel. We have this

Tim Ireland‏*@bloggerheads*

Tory view on May's #BattleForNumber10 appearance is that it is not a disaster, and is therefore good. Same applies to Brexit, economy...

The bar is set high isn't it?

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woman12345 · 29/05/2017 22:11

The audience laughed at her.

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 22:11

Nigel Farage‏*@Nigel*_Farage

Saying 'no deal is better than a bad deal' 4 times will win the May the election. But she is a weathercock who believes in very little.

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Charmageddon · 29/05/2017 22:14

I thought that Paxman went far too easy on the pair of them.

Jeremy Corbyn started getting tetchy but he didn't push him enough & he let Theresa off by giving her the easy ground of Brexit.

Paxman was shit.
I expected much more.

TheElementsSong · 29/05/2017 22:58

He didn't pick up on the open goal of "No deal is better than a bad deal".

woman12345 · 29/05/2017 23:56

Theresa May's TV performance mocked with #TheresaMayGIFs hashtag
Images of self-inflicted disasters and shocked reactions filled social media after prime minister faced studio audience and interviewer Jeremy Paxman
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/29/theresa-mays-tv-performance-mocked-with-theresamaygifs-hashtag

mathanxiety · 30/05/2017 01:18

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2941802-Lifelong-Tory-cant-believe-Im-saying-this

An interesting thread.

After those Farage comments, I have to suspect that TM will be shortly packing her traps at Number 10. If she doesn't deliver a comprehensive Tory majority she is toast.

Peregrina · 30/05/2017 07:24

What size of majority will be sufficient? I can understand TM's desire to have a bigger majority. John Major struggled with a larger one.

Personally, I hope she blows it. I would really like to see a proper cross-party Coalition, with an acceptance that the country is facing a severe test, with many problems to be solved, and that the country was completely divided, and that Brexit means Brexit and other inanities, doesn't achieve anything.

Motheroffourdragons · 30/05/2017 07:41

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BigChocFrenzy · 30/05/2017 07:59

GE result will be very dependent on relative turnout, especially of young voters

More young voters are registered for this GE than in 2015.
Any young adult who wants a change towards their interests needs to actually vote.
Otherwise, they can expect continual prioritisation of grey voters at their expense.

http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout15.htmm_

Turnout 2015 GE (change to 2010 GE)
18-24: 43% (-1)
55-64: 77% (+4)
65+: 78% (+2)

Survation "certain to vote"

18-24 81.7% (+14.1%)
25-34 71.4%

All ages
CON 87.9% (-2.4%)
LAB 89.1% (up 6%)
In all polls the last month, Don't Knows have fallen as Labour have risen

"What would you say is the number one issue when it come to deciding your vote?"

NHS 19.0% (+3.5%) 18-34 highest @ 22%
Brexit 11.2% (-1.8%) 18-34 lowest @4.8%
Immigration 10.3% (+1.4%) 55+ highest @16%

All from latest Survation Poll - Tory Lead 6%
Fieldwork 26-27 May
CON 43% (nc)
LAB: 37% (+3)
LDEM: 8% (nc)
UKIP 4% (nc)

BigChocFrenzy · 30/05/2017 08:05

atm, The NHS seems #1 issue, not Brexit
btw, despite Brexiters claiming "no one believed the 350 million slogan on the bus", someone from audience again stated that's why they voted for Brexit.
That slogan obviously didn't swing 20%, but did it swing 2% from Remain to Brexit ?

HashiAsLarry · 30/05/2017 08:12

, but did it swing 2% from Remain to Brexit ?
I'd lay money on it being far higher than 2%, though not 20% territory.

Sadly now some of those self same people will sell the NHS out to get strong and stable negotiations. Then claim shock and surprise later that they did it. Despite being told several times during both campaigns what would happen. Experts eh? What do they know?

BiglyBadgers · 30/05/2017 08:24

Isn't Corbyn on mumsnet today?

BluePeppers · 30/05/2017 08:27

What I am noticing from these polls is that the Tories have 43% of the vote intentions.
Thats not the majority.

Now i know that it then depends on the each MPs and the repoaratition as whether it measn the Tories would have a majority of MPs or not.
I wish though that the electoral system was actually reflecting that and wasnt giving them a majority of MP ands then they dont have the majority of the votes. Esp in what is basically a two party country.

BigChocFrenzy · 30/05/2017 08:29

How does this square with May / DD threat to "walk away from a bad deal" ?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/30/theresa-may-brexit-message-social-care-u-turn

"Theresa May will claim that

“economic prosperity will suffer, jobs and livelihoods will be put at risk, and with them the security and peace of mind of working families”

if the government fails to secure a successful Brexit negotiation with the European Union.”

The prime minister will make the comments in a speech in the West Midlands "

< If the govt fails to get a deal and those consequences happen, then May will be replaced.
Can Labour manage to pin the blame on the Tory party, not the person ?

This GE has shown that leftwing policies can be attractive, but a Labour leader with no dodgy past would be a big boost, so Corbyn still needs to go, gracefully, under the understanding that Labour offers a leftwing alternative >

lonelyplanetmum · 30/05/2017 08:30

Yes Bigly Corbyn on MN at midday today.

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