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Westministenders – 10 days to go

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 11:48

The Maynifesto is out (lets be honest here; other Manifestos are just exercises in dreaming). The rumours of what will happen post Election are in full swing.

The Conservatives are ‘relaunching’ their campaign after Theresa May’s single handed attempt at throwing the election, has needed an intervention.

Yet the reality is that May will win. And win comfortably, increasing her majority. Talk of a Corbyn surge is just that. Talk. He still is more than 5% behind and the excitement about how the gap has closed is getting carried away. Indeed it only helps the Conservatives to get their vote out. Corbyn also started from such a dreadful position, it just makes the effect look more dramatic than it really is and May was always going to struggle to get much more support after the local election peak.

The thing is none of the political parties are covering themselves in glory. No one is offering what people want. In terms of voters not being impressed by their leadership, I don’t think many are really happy and are just going for the best available option out of a particular bad crop. It does not bode well for the future regardless of who wins. We should be worried about the quality of debate and our representatives regardless of who we end up voting for.

Come election night there are going to be some particularly shocking results. The idea that there is a national trend is not right. This election is highly localised in nature. Which will result in these surprises to outsiders but perhaps not locals.

June 9th will make for a lot of soul searching I suspect. For all three parties. There will be leadership questions that remain unanswered and need to be resolved. There are still massive political divides in parties. Heads will roll and need to be replaced. Expectations and the reality have been out of line for all three in one way or another.

Yet all of this is a side show to an extent. Whilst we all scrabble around trying to work it out amongst ourselves, the rest of the world moves forward without us. And the clock ticks.

Merkel has set the tone for the next round of Brexit. It is regarded by the German political elite as ‘Trumpandbrexit’. We are part of the same phenomenon even though many see it through different eyes in this country. This lack of awareness of how we are perceived outside our own walls is something we will face head on at some point and it won’t be good.

Trump himself is up to his neck in scandal. And has risked our safety as a direct result. May might have held her hand but that relationship does not seem to be going well for us. We are between a rock and a hard place and are drifting out to see.

Global Britain has never seemed so lonely and isolated. The rosy future we were promised, becomes ever more a distant dream rather than a dawn of a new age.

Reality will get us in the end.

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woman12345 · 29/05/2017 20:50

Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound
Corbyn's answer on listening not talking was effective. We always want politicians comfortable in their own skin. If he's anything he's that

@patrick_kidd
Blimey, this Irish member of the audience is doing far better than any interviewer. Genuine menace. Corbyn doing well to handle this

Bearbehind · 29/05/2017 20:54

Dear God, it's a mark of how insane the world has become that I'm now considering voting for Corbyn.

He is actually talking a lot of sense.

Looking forward to the Maybot.

mathanxiety · 29/05/2017 20:54

It certainly is catchy, and the accompanying clips are well placed.

Illustrates the perils of personality politics.

lalalonglegs · 29/05/2017 20:55

Blimey, I'm watching the C4 leaders Q&A... and I'm quite impressed by Corbyn's performance Shock.

Bearbehind · 29/05/2017 20:59

Blimey, May will crumble if Paxton talks to her like he is to Corbyn!

Bearbehind · 29/05/2017 21:00

^^ Paxman

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:01

If Paxton goes for May like that I'll be surprised. Corbyn is handling this well. He's not answered a couple of questions but on the whole he's reasonable and his answers are half decent.

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:04

What's more he's getting some laughs. May has been labelled a glumbucket remember....

....He's looking human.

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Eeeeeowwwfftz · 29/05/2017 21:04

if he goes for May like that I'll eat Paddy Ashdown's hat.

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 29/05/2017 21:05

J Pax also seems to have jumped the shark by wilfully misunderstanding the process of writing a manifesto.

LurkingHusband · 29/05/2017 21:06

And this is a new update from electionforecast.co.uk

Election Forecast UK‏*@Election4castUK*
#GE2017 forecast update:
Cons 329 -424

WOW sailing that close to no majority ?!?!

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:09

Jim Waterson‏*@jimwaterson*

Someone on Team Corbyn came up a "flirt with Paxman to disarm him" approach to this interview. Heading into full Tumblr fanfic territory.

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:12

Rupert Myers‏*@RupertMyers*

Paxman is acting like a pub bore. Corbyn is keeping his cool and his good humour. Wasted opportunity to tear him apart

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Peregrina · 29/05/2017 21:13

We always want politicians comfortable in their own skin. If he's anything he's that

Is he growing into the job?
May does not appear to be growing. I don't know if I can bear to watch her.

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:15

Robert Peston‏*@Peston*

Worst moment for @jeremycorbyn is refusal to say yes or no about whether he would order killing of known mass-murdering terrorist

Agree.

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BigChocFrenzy · 29/05/2017 21:18

Thanks for yet another thread to keep us informed, red

wrt Corbyn exceeding expectations here :
imo, that's down to Lyndon Crosby's favourite strategy or trying to demonise an opponent, as he did in the London Mayoral election (and failed)

Crosby prefers to play the man, not the ball.

But when your strategy is to build up your main opponent as the bogeyman, then he wins just by sounding sane and stable

If they'd focused on Corbyn's total incompetence at the nuts & bolts of leading the PLP, of being an effective Parliamentary Opposition Leader, they would probably have had more success.

However, it is always better to be positive and concentrate on the talents and achievements of your own candidate
That may have been the problem - May doesn't give much to work with there ! Grin

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:22

Is it just me or is Weak and Wobbly the wrong phrase?
Its Weak and Wafflely.

Her body language isn't great, especially her facial expressions.

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:29

Audience didn't like that answer from May at all. They were laughing at her not answering the question properly. Corbyn didn't get one reaction like that at all. May's pre-planned mini speeches are not inspiring.

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BiglyBadgers · 29/05/2017 21:30

The thing to remember about Corbyn is that he has had a lifetime as a backbench rebel. He is perfectly used to being attacked and surrounded by people who do not support his views, so always comes across as pretty relaxed and at ease when he is facing direct personal attacks on his opinions and politics. Where he struggles as BigChoc says is when asked detailed questions on his policies as you don't really have to do detail as shouty backbencher, so he gets all in a tiz.

I also do think he does actually like people and finds talking to people interesting and worthwhile. This makes him seem more receptive than May who gives the distinct impression she would rather not have anything to do with us proles.

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:31

The £350 million clap. Audience member says she only voted Leave on the basis of the Bus Lie. May isn't answering the question.

Poor poor answer. Just about the best possible deal. Nothing about the NHS budget really.

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:34

These two tweets just came up side by side.

Robert Peston‏*@Peston* 37s
So audience captures choice facing nation: risk of electing untested Corbyn versus cuts already announced by Tories

CCHQ Press Office‏*@CCHQPress* 41s
Theresa May negotiating Brexit, keeping economy strong and more money for NHS - OR Jeremy Corbyn putting it all at risk

[RTB: The public chose the risk with Brexit...]

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:35

Tim Shipman‏*@ShippersUnbound*

Audience member mouths "that's bollocks" as May talks NHS spending

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Bearbehind · 29/05/2017 21:36

Lol- I thought he said 'that's bollocks' too!

BiglyBadgers · 29/05/2017 21:36

[RTB: The public chose the risk with Brexit...]

True, but does that mean we might as well take another or are we all risked out and wanting the devil we know?

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 21:39

Tim Shipman‏*@ShippersUnbound*
May will have steadied Tory nerves with that. She did not parrot slogans and made no major errors. Some mocking laugher but applause too

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