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Westministenders – 10 days to go

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 11:48

The Maynifesto is out (lets be honest here; other Manifestos are just exercises in dreaming). The rumours of what will happen post Election are in full swing.

The Conservatives are ‘relaunching’ their campaign after Theresa May’s single handed attempt at throwing the election, has needed an intervention.

Yet the reality is that May will win. And win comfortably, increasing her majority. Talk of a Corbyn surge is just that. Talk. He still is more than 5% behind and the excitement about how the gap has closed is getting carried away. Indeed it only helps the Conservatives to get their vote out. Corbyn also started from such a dreadful position, it just makes the effect look more dramatic than it really is and May was always going to struggle to get much more support after the local election peak.

The thing is none of the political parties are covering themselves in glory. No one is offering what people want. In terms of voters not being impressed by their leadership, I don’t think many are really happy and are just going for the best available option out of a particular bad crop. It does not bode well for the future regardless of who wins. We should be worried about the quality of debate and our representatives regardless of who we end up voting for.

Come election night there are going to be some particularly shocking results. The idea that there is a national trend is not right. This election is highly localised in nature. Which will result in these surprises to outsiders but perhaps not locals.

June 9th will make for a lot of soul searching I suspect. For all three parties. There will be leadership questions that remain unanswered and need to be resolved. There are still massive political divides in parties. Heads will roll and need to be replaced. Expectations and the reality have been out of line for all three in one way or another.

Yet all of this is a side show to an extent. Whilst we all scrabble around trying to work it out amongst ourselves, the rest of the world moves forward without us. And the clock ticks.

Merkel has set the tone for the next round of Brexit. It is regarded by the German political elite as ‘Trumpandbrexit’. We are part of the same phenomenon even though many see it through different eyes in this country. This lack of awareness of how we are perceived outside our own walls is something we will face head on at some point and it won’t be good.

Trump himself is up to his neck in scandal. And has risked our safety as a direct result. May might have held her hand but that relationship does not seem to be going well for us. We are between a rock and a hard place and are drifting out to see.

Global Britain has never seemed so lonely and isolated. The rosy future we were promised, becomes ever more a distant dream rather than a dawn of a new age.

Reality will get us in the end.

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Peregrina · 29/05/2017 15:27

Placemarking too.

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 16:37

Daily Mail U.K.‏ @DailyMailUK
Tory fighting to win seat held by murdered MP Jo Cox horrifies hustings by joking 'we have not yet SHOT anybody'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4552492/Tory-fighting-win-Jo-Cox-seat-jokes-SHOT.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK

The Daily Fail are reporting this gaff!!!

Same story from the Mirror: www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/outrage-tory-candidate-murdered-jo-10523890#ICID=sharebar_twitter
Outrage as Tory candidate in murdered Jo Cox's constituency says "we have not yet shot anybody so that's wonderful"

The Conservative was answering a question about how to tackle Islamophobia when she said: "This sort of evening is absolutely first rate because we have here people of all faiths, we have here people from different parts of the community and we have not yet shot anybody so that's wonderful."

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HardcoreLadyType · 29/05/2017 16:38

RTB, apparently the message that the Conservatives may be using that people need to get out to vote, because the vote might be close, does not actually succeed in getting people out to vote.

This article gives some details of research done, which actually shows people are more likely to vote if they think there will be a large turnout, so if there's a feeling that voting is something everyone is doing, then people are more likely to vote. Counter-intuitive, I know.

HardcoreLadyType · 29/05/2017 16:39

(Sorry, that was re your earlier post, not the one just above mine.)

HardcoreLadyType · 29/05/2017 16:41

"...we have not yet shot anybody so that's wonderful."

Sets a pretty low bar on the meaning of the word "wonderful".

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 17:04

Michael Crick‏*@MichaelLCrick*

Placards at Theresa May event in Twickenham have a lot less about May than three weeks ago; more on Conservatives

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missmoon · 29/05/2017 17:10

Plonkysaurus same here, my mum has only ever voted Tory, but was out delivering Lib Dem leaflets yesterday!

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 17:11

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-glum-bucket-quentin-letts-daily-mail_uk_592c3cc9e4b053f2d2ad6d27?
Theresa May Called A ‘Glum Bucket’ By Daily Mail’s Quentin Letts

Theresa May has been told by a Daily Mail journalist that she is coming off as a bit of “glum bucket” during the election campaign, and asked if she will inject a “bit more Boris” in the last two weeks before polling.

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BiglyBadgers · 29/05/2017 17:15

Oh god help us if she gets put on a zip wire Confused

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 17:20

www.ft.com/content/4a80b38c-4459-11e7-8519-9f94ee97d996
Former Italy PM Renzi favours early election
Support for ‘German-style’ voting system that could mean parties sharing power

Matteo Renzi, the leader of Italy’s ruling centre-left Democratic party, is starting talks with opposition parties on a new electoral system that could allow an election to take place within months.

Elections in Autumn being talked about. Interesting the talk is of switching to a German style election system.

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BiglyBadgers · 29/05/2017 17:22

What a strange an mysterious world we now live in

There's Now A Jeremy Corbyn Computer Game
Corbyn Run sees the Labour leader fighting to take money back from tax-dodging accountants, before activating Labour policies and taking on Conservative ministers.
www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/theres-now-a-jeremy-corbyn-computer-game?utm_term=.ktVWWGkqp5#.et300VqoMr

Charmageddon · 29/05/2017 17:36

Oh god help us if she gets put on a zip wire Confused

😂

twofingerstoEverything · 29/05/2017 17:51

Thanks, Red. Placemarking.

Motheroffourdragons · 29/05/2017 18:23

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BiglyBadgers · 29/05/2017 18:52

This is being shared on Twitter. It is being sent out to conservative supporters giving party lines for Twitter and Facebook during the appearances on TV this evening. If you take it as a preview of what May is going to be focusing it is the same old really. Strong and stable repeated and Corbyn is bad. They really need to find something new to say Hmm

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Badders123 · 29/05/2017 18:56

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 19:10

Andrew Teale‏*@andrewteale*

Just done a seat-by-seat prediction for #ge2017 and came up with C 363 Lab 202 SNP 50 LD 12 PC 4 Grn 1 C maj 74. Watch it go wrong.

Teale does stuff for election-data. I don't know how he has come to this conclusion, but I suspect he's looked at recent local elections and national trends and demographics to come by this, rather than look at Brexit stuff or go purely on national trends.

For this reason, I find this an interesting contrast to some of the other election predictions.

(Cavet - he's labour leaning).

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TheElementsSong · 29/05/2017 19:11

Thanks for another great threat, RTB Smile

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 19:17

And this is a new update from electionforecast.co.uk

Election Forecast UK‏*@Election4castUK*

#GE2017 forecast update:
Cons 329-424
Lab 152-250
LDems 2-14
SNP 33-56

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Artisanjam · 29/05/2017 19:26

Thanks Red - I'm very busy at work etc st the moment so lurking rather than posting but a grateful lurker!

woman12345 · 29/05/2017 19:39

Jeremy Corbyn pledges to 'open discussions' with Nicola Sturgeon over second independence referendum
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/29/jeremy-corbyn-pledges-open-discussions-nicola-sturgeon-second/

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 19:41

Paul Nuttalls of the UKIP with Andrew Neil.

So far its all about burkas, the children, death penalty and torture. Its heart warming stuff.

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 19:47

The 'one in one' out policy. Neil points out that even UKIP candidates have called it stupid.

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woman12345 · 29/05/2017 19:48

Not up to watching that, red, but that May's 'Liar, Liar' song is very catchy. It's now number two in iTunes singles chart. Grin

Peregrina · 29/05/2017 20:38

So election forecast predicts a best case majority for the Tories of 237, or a worse case of 9. Not including what happens in N Ireland. Not really much of a forecast is it?

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