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RedToothBrush · 29/04/2017 22:12

Theresa May is being held hostage.

There is mounting evidence that all is not as it seems at CCHQ. It makes you don your tin foil hat and ask who is in charge.

Theresa May was a Remainer. She suddenly abandoned that when she became leader. Her proclamation of what would follow next seems directly at odds with her actions. This is not her fault. This is her plea for help and way of telling the outside world that she is a prisoner of Brexit.

At first it seemed like perhaps she had been locked up with Brexiteers for too long. She seemed to be developing a survival strategy which seemed totally irrational to outsiders. The signs of intimidation everywhere though. Instead of criticising those who did this, May joined in with them or was complicit in her silence.

Things are now taking a sinister turn. After repeatedly saying ‘No Election’, May crumbled and called one. She has now not been seen in public since. Instead she is being wheeled out at closed events to the party faithful. They are being dressed as mixing with the people but they are no such thing. The plebs in attendance are set to ‘mute’ or locked out completely.

Behold the coming of the May-Bot. She seeks to ‘prevent tourism’ in Wales. She now no longer knows which town she is currently in. (Much less have a plan for Brexit). She accuses an organisation set up to use its numbers to get better deals, of doing what it is supposed to, except she calls this ‘ganging up’.

May is not transported in a bus. Oh no. Instead she travels by the Bond Villian’s choice of transport; the helicopter.

More worrying still is the mantra ‘Strong and Stable’ repeated as many times as possible. It is almost as if, if she says it enough she might start believing it. She certainly has got her party members brainwashed and acting as if they were Zombies. Who needs ‘Spice’ when you are a Conservative? They ‘Believe’…

The ploy is to hoodwink people into voting for May instead of the Tories. CCHQ have removed Conservative branding from literature and campaigning in the North. The party are still too toxic, but May apparently scores well especially against Corbyn. Ironically however negatively I think of Corbyn he does display something May increasingly seems incapable of: humanity.

Many people might think of May as some sort of dictator figure. Its true. Every vote for her strengthens her hand. But not for Brexit negotiations. Mainly because Brexit is without merit or reward. Not unless you hold power. This is part 2 of the grab for it.

This is May’s power paradox. SHE is not powerful. She isn’t persuasive. She isn’t a healer of divides. She relies on authoritarian measures to get her way. This isn’t a sign of her personal power, but a sign of her personal weakness. She is sly and sneaky in her methods rather than compelling others to come along with her. They are doing so more because they dislike the alternative in Corbyn less.

She is not stable. She has lurched from one drama to the next, and has repeatedly been forced to back down from what she wanted. Nothing says ‘stability’ and ‘good leadership’ like appointing Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. The lady is not so much for turning and leading, but is already staggering around dizzy whilst blindfolded playing pin the tail on the donkey. And Christ she’s got a lot of them in her Government. Including the numpty who decided to do a live event and broadcast it in an area with no wi-fi. Mind you, that is soon to be the entire country. Or what’s left of it.

She had said she had a mandate for Brexit and did not need this to be approved by the country as she was getting on with the job. This is why we are having a General Election to give her a mandate…

Not only that, but there is a lurking question here that should not be forgotten. Who is pulling May’s strings and making her dance as her actions are not natural? Every puppet show has puppet masters behind the scenes of the stage, hiding in the shadows.

They will dispense with their toy once she has outlived her usefulness like every good baddie.

Is she the one we should be most fearful of?

Hold on tight this is going to be a very bumpy ride over the next two years. Just how many casualties will be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit?

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Lico · 30/04/2017 09:17

Thank you Red.
On a different subject:
Does anyone know whether there is a breakdown of Daily Mail or Sun circulation per county? I am quite interested to find out whether there is a correlation between the number of newspapers sold and hard brexiteers 'view points (probably is but would be interesting to prove).

HPFA · 30/04/2017 09:21

*The Guardian alleges that the Tory will publish a 'short manifesto, light on specific pledges.'

She wants to bounce through this election, with little close scrutiny of specific policies, in order to have a stronger mandate.
'The question will remain: a mandate for what?'

It's terrifying.*

This might backfire. It will help Labour doorknockers to terrify people with the prospects of what Conservative government will do with a large majority. In public of course Labour has to pretend that it can form a government. Their campaigners will certainly be stressing a rather different line.

Labour donor to stand against Corbyn

Not sure how effective this will be. Know a therapist who is treating one of Corbyn's constituents who is severely disabled. Apparently Corbyn has been amazingly helpful and on the ball with supporting him in a legal case he is pursuing. Whatever his obvious deficiencies as Leader he seems to have a good rep as an MP.

Peregrina will be surprised to learn that therapist also has a client whose MP is Nicola Blackwood who apparently "has been no help whatsoever".

Peregrina · 30/04/2017 09:33

Peregrina will be surprised to learn that therapist also has a client whose MP is Nicola Blackwood who apparently "has been no help whatsoever".

Please forward that information to the Lib Dem candidate, Layla Moran.
(Or Labour/Green candidates, when announced - who have no chance, but it's good info for them to have.)

woman12345 · 30/04/2017 09:34

Manifesto:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/29/analysis-tory-aides-bunker-mode-manifesto-battle-rages-partys/

"The Prime Minister’s closest aides have been in “bunker mode” creating an election manifesto they hope will finally define “Mayism” in the eyes of voters.

One would see trade unions banned from striking on “critical infrastructure” without High Court judge approval

Forcing property developers to use planning permission quicker could also get the nod – despite Boris Johnson likening a similar Labour policy to “Mugabe-style” land grabs.

Smaller pledges, from a promise to plant 11 million trees that was way off track to cutting the number of MPs from 650 to 600, could also quietly be left behind.

Overseeing the operation is Nick Timothy, one of Mrs May’s two powerful chiefs of staff, who advised her at the Home Office and is dubbed “Theresa's brain” by some."

Everytimeref · 30/04/2017 09:37

May on Marr really struggling not to say " strong and stable leadership"

woman12345 · 30/04/2017 09:38

It makes you don your tin foil hat and ask who is in charge. I wonder who is writing her manifesto.

prettybird · 30/04/2017 09:43

Side effect of the election: all current petitions will be pulled when Parliament is dissolved on 3 May and will have to be re-started from scratch afterwards.

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https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/petitions-committee/news-parliament-2015/petitions-2017-election--faqs/]]

This of course includes the Family Cap/Rape Clause petition Sad The government, incidentally, has responded, justifying (of course Wink) its policy, saying that people have to learn to plan (essentially Hmm) and that it listened to the consultation and introduced a compassionate way of "managing" the exception - ignoring the fact that the responses from expert organisations in the field universally condemned it but what do they know? (in Scotland the specialist organisations have refused to be the 3rd parties) Angry

Response below the number of signatories
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/195077

Badders123 · 30/04/2017 09:47

You know....
I'm starting to get quite worried about all of this
😞😞😞😞

prettybird · 30/04/2017 09:48

The Guardian alleges that the Tory will publish a 'short manifesto, light on specific pledges.'

Someone on bearbehind's thread (about how disappointed she is in TM after years of being a Conservative voter) has genuinely, sincerely and proudly said that of course TM won't make any commitments as then she might be held to them! ShockAngryShockAngry (and Sad for the state of UK politics and the expectations of the electorate).

HashiAsLarry · 30/04/2017 09:50

DC have finished watching their movie so have popped Marr on. TM is awful, she's just soundbites and can't cope at all when he flings a supplemental question in.

HashiAsLarry · 30/04/2017 09:51

The prospect of a government with a blank cheque mandate terrifies me, regardless of which party it is. Anyone who votes for that is an idiot.

woman12345 · 30/04/2017 09:53

prettybird thanks for that, will have to re sign them when they are back up.
Everytimeref no answer from her on nurses having to use food banks and £2500 pa cuts under new tory govt on working poor. No answer.
Badders Flowers We are still here.
Lico not regional but some data:
www.mailadvertising.co.uk/insight/industry-data/

RedToothBrush · 30/04/2017 09:58

When asked about paying the EU Bill first, May dodges the question. Not once but several times.

Refuses to agree that the EU have said that we must agree this before we can move forward.

And there you have it. That's the end of Brexit negotiations. The EU are not going to budge from there.

As for the manifesto, I'm surprise the idea of a blank cheque manifesto shocks you. May has twice done this with the A50 White Paper and the Great Repeal Act White Paper.

I would have been MORE surprised by anything of substance.

Remember the attitude of various Brexit posters on these threads when they say that the Government knows more than they do on these issues and they trust them to do what's best.

The idea of no manifesto is acceptable and perhaps preferable to many. It also removes any responsibility from them in how they vote. If it all goes wrong, they didn't vote for X policy. It removes the blame from the average person.

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RedToothBrush · 30/04/2017 10:00

I hope Peston give May a harder time than Marr.

That interview was wet.

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woman12345 · 30/04/2017 10:03

It'd be funny if Paxo was still doing interviews.

prettybird · 30/04/2017 10:07

BigChoc mentioned overnight posts the problems of a supine BBC not pointing out basic truths challenging the Conservative line.

Ian Hislop was well-oiled on Friday's Have I got news for you and pointed that out. Kirsty Young didn't quite know what to say Grin

@logansteven: #Hignfy #IanHislop stuns panel by calling out BBC bias straight to broadcaster’s face [VIDEO] https://t.co/zCGqLarVOFF^^ via @thecanarysays^

Everytimeref · 30/04/2017 10:09

No answers on education either.

BrexshitMeansBrexshit · 30/04/2017 10:25

Mistigri and any other UK citizens living in France - have you seen this?
French lawyer needs Briton's testimonies for Brexit legal challenge

RedToothBrush · 30/04/2017 10:25

Peston asked her about the poor getting poorer.

May replied about people being worried about job security and paying their mortgages.

The poorest in society do not have mortgages.
Peston didn't pick her up on it.

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RedToothBrush · 30/04/2017 10:26

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*
Tax lock gone, Triple pensions lock replaced by single or double lock... but PM reiterating "no deal better than bad deal" v important
Eg will Cons manifesto contain specific reference to the acceptance of "no deal" as a plausible outcome? Important mandate q for next 5 yrs

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LurkingHusband · 30/04/2017 10:29

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RedToothBrush · 30/04/2017 10:29

Now talking about inheritance tax.

It seems that 'ordinary working people' all own property.

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RedToothBrush · 30/04/2017 10:32

Jeremy Corbyn's prosposals don't add up apparently.

But neither do May's. BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO ADD UP AND SCRUTINISE.

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prettybird · 30/04/2017 10:34

May has made a evil call that she doesn't need to even attempt to appeal to the poorest in society they are an underclass Angry

And it won't have crossed Peston's mind, with his mortgage and comfortable life, that there are people who could never even dream of having mortgage. Sad

RedToothBrush · 30/04/2017 10:34

Tim Shipman‏*@ShippersUnbound*
May pledges not to raise VAT. After 50 minutes, the hacks have a story

^ That is one hell of a comment. Especially considering who has made it.

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