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Westministenders: Boris is reminded of the Munich Post.

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RedToothBrush · 07/02/2017 11:36

The Munich Post was the 1930s German Newspaper that refused to normalise. It refused to bow to the threats and intimidation of the Nazi State. It was to eventually closed but it defended the truth to the bitter end.

With Trump’s systematic attacks on the Press and Judiciary we should take heed. We must stand up for our journalists who seek to serve the public rather than serve their masters and only chase profit.

We must ask why, right wing extremists when they make attacks are too frequently labelled simply as lone wolfs who exist within a vacuum, when it is widely accepted by intelligence services that Muslim extremists are often the products of online radicalisation and any element of mental history is totally irrelevant because of their religion.

The PM hiring advertising agents to try and deal with a problem of increasing racial tensions rather than talking to the newspaper executives who she has close relationships with, is a deliberate missing of the point.

It is an abdication of responsibility and is wilfully ignorant.

It is about time we addressed the hole of hatred in our society that exists properly. From all angles and approaches, from all parts of our society. The blind spot in failing to acknowledge how the media’s role in this only serves to fuel the divisions. It has become normalised. Powerful lobbying groups like the Freedom Association continue to deny that populism has contributed to a rise in hate crime pointing to a dislike for how incidents are recorded. Their influence in Westminster is too apparent.

Some of the comments made in the houses of commons and to the media by Tory MPs have been worryingly close to comments made by Trump and his associates. They have been worryingly close to online trolls. They have been laced with too many ‘alternative facts’ and full of exaggerated language about immigrants. Language, its use and context are important and powerful.

These are elected officials with a social responsibility. Instead they are continue to stir things. We no longer need Farage and worry about UKIP. We have a whole bunch of them in the HoC and a quick trawl though Hansard reveals them in all their glory. To a privileged white man they are Trump apologists. During the debate over Trump’s visit to the UK, one even thought it appropriate to woof at a female MP. In 2017.

We might be very British in the way our alternative facts are being expressed but the same threats are very much present within British politics as they are currently in US politics. We might not have anyone quite as brash and brazen as Trump (with the possible exception of Farage), but this makes it more not less dangerous. People like IDS and Johnson add respectably to the thin veneer of hatred and xenophobia.

A50 is likely to pass the commons, without amendment as things stand. (I think we need to watch the Lords with interest) We are perhaps likely to enter a period where things might quieten down in the UK for a time. We must be vigilant and not accept normalisation and continue to make noise about how we feel about the future of this country or we will be dominated by the agenda of these individuals who have little respect for the interests of anyone who is not part of their boys club.

Theresa May may not be one of them, but like Trump she craves their approval and does share many of their values. She is happy to pander to them, and them to her as she makes their toxicity somehow more acceptable.

What women do next is crucial. Do we want to accept this vision of the future? Now is not the time to fall silence and accept that things are equal now. We know the reality. And it affects all of us, regardless of how we voted on 23rd June.

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MockTurtleSoup · 07/02/2017 17:25

Bloody hell woman Shock

ElenaGreco123 · 07/02/2017 18:32

I love Sam Bee ever since she was on the Best F#@ing Newsteam in the world at 9-month pregnant.

boredofbrexit · 07/02/2017 19:12

well if he can't, what a bloody achievement...POTUS.

CeciledeVolanges · 07/02/2017 19:43

Woman I knew that would be the objectionable Baroness Deech's bill before reading the title. Ugh.

CeciledeVolanges · 07/02/2017 19:49

Red prenups aren't legally enforceable, although they can have persuasive value, as the Supreme Court held in Radmacher v Granatino (2010)

CeciledeVolanges · 07/02/2017 19:51

In the vast majority of cases there is not even beginning to be enough money to go around, especially once any children are housed, usually in the family home

Peregrina · 07/02/2017 19:52

I think she was suggesting that pre-nups were made enforceable. Not that it makes much difference to the average couple. I can't think of many divorced couples that were left better off after divorce.

Peregrina · 07/02/2017 20:05

I see MSPs have voted to block Brexit - although it's symbolic because Theresa May has decreed that the Scots and Irish can get stuffed. I cannot see this ending well.

I could only see the break up of the UK eventually being avoided if someone significantly more conciliatory was PM, and then going for an EEA option.

HashiAsLarry · 07/02/2017 20:08

Talking of divorce, I remember thinking when divorcing xH that it was so much harder to do than marrying him was. Surely it shouldn't be that way, if they made it harder to marry rather than divorce maybe more people would think twice.

woman12345 · 07/02/2017 20:20

MockTurtleSoup yes, it is a bit,
I genuinely feel sorry for the guy. Adult illiteracy is not uncommon and you have to be pretty astute to hide it and compensate. When he said ' he loved the uneducated' it takes on a different meaning. The ability to read is not a sign of intelligence, and it takes skill to operate in a literate world without that.
But,
He's stated he didn't know what he was signing when he signed the EOs, it also means he's being used as a patsy for people who have been waiting generations for a popular candidate and president for their views.And what does it reveal about Bannon's role.
Section 25, of the constitution in which a president is declared unfit for office could come into play again. How can you have a president who can't read, if of course, he really can't?
But I feel sorry for him.

SwedishEdith · 07/02/2017 20:23

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MockTurtleSoup · 07/02/2017 20:33

Surely he can't be fit for office if he can't read (assuming he can't) its bloody dangerous if he's signing orders he hasn't read!

prettybird · 07/02/2017 20:39

Redwood last night was complaining that England wasn't mentioned enough - during the part of the debate on amendments that related to the devolved administrations Confused

cue lots of tweets and posts with YouTube videos of him not being able to sing the Welsh National Anthem when he was Welsh Secretary Wink

lalalonglegs · 07/02/2017 21:26

I'm pretty sure he can read - he graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in the 60s which is an Ivy League college...

boredofbrexit · 07/02/2017 21:34

and hes managed all his life, business-wise. If he couldn't see or hear or speak or walk he'd get assistance and with that be able to fulfil the position as well as an able bodied person. If he is dyslexic ditto. Cheap swipes, nasty. Verging on disablism and othering, to use some of your pc crap.

HashiAsLarry · 07/02/2017 21:40

TBF the actions that bloody hilarious video shows are probably someone who isn't confident reading, more than can't. What is dangerous though is that he's signing EOs without knowing their content. That's negligent if nothing else.

Nothing I love more though than someone turning someone else's nasty crap against them in a jesting way.

woman12345 · 07/02/2017 21:40

Another MPPig to add to our collection:
He ran a campaign too racist for Nigel Farage:
Nigel Farage said it was a nasty campaign with elements of Big Brother. The text on the ads runs: "In the UK illegally? Go home or face arrest." It continues: "106 arrests last week in your area*." The asterisk is there to indicate that this is a made-up figure, relating to no particular area, and no particular week.
It's a quiz question but he filibustered/ talked shit for an hour in the amendment debates yesterday while SNP only got, I think, 2 chances to speak?
Hint: he's not Labour

Bearbehind · 07/02/2017 21:45

if he couldn't see or hear or speak or walk he'd get assistance and with that be able to fulfil the position as well as an abled bodied person

What utter nonsense.

You are making this a disablist issue bored, no one else.

Being able to read an EO is a job requirement not a 'nice to have'

CeciledeVolanges · 07/02/2017 21:45

Mark Harper

MockTurtleSoup · 07/02/2017 21:46

Perhaps he needs to go to specsavers........

Badders123 · 07/02/2017 21:48

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SemiPermanent · 07/02/2017 21:53

*if he couldn't see or hear or speak or walk he'd get assistance and with that be able to fulfil the position as well as an abled bodied person

What utter nonsense.

You are making this a disablist issue bored, no one else.*

Being able to read an EO is a job requirement not a 'nice to have'

David Blunkett?
He was unable to read in the typically accepted way.
He was still able to do his job.

Bearbehind · 07/02/2017 21:56

His job was not POTUS

woman12345 · 07/02/2017 22:00

CeciledeVolanges Cake

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