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Westministenders: Boris is reminded of the Munich Post.

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RedToothBrush · 07/02/2017 11:36

The Munich Post was the 1930s German Newspaper that refused to normalise. It refused to bow to the threats and intimidation of the Nazi State. It was to eventually closed but it defended the truth to the bitter end.

With Trump’s systematic attacks on the Press and Judiciary we should take heed. We must stand up for our journalists who seek to serve the public rather than serve their masters and only chase profit.

We must ask why, right wing extremists when they make attacks are too frequently labelled simply as lone wolfs who exist within a vacuum, when it is widely accepted by intelligence services that Muslim extremists are often the products of online radicalisation and any element of mental history is totally irrelevant because of their religion.

The PM hiring advertising agents to try and deal with a problem of increasing racial tensions rather than talking to the newspaper executives who she has close relationships with, is a deliberate missing of the point.

It is an abdication of responsibility and is wilfully ignorant.

It is about time we addressed the hole of hatred in our society that exists properly. From all angles and approaches, from all parts of our society. The blind spot in failing to acknowledge how the media’s role in this only serves to fuel the divisions. It has become normalised. Powerful lobbying groups like the Freedom Association continue to deny that populism has contributed to a rise in hate crime pointing to a dislike for how incidents are recorded. Their influence in Westminster is too apparent.

Some of the comments made in the houses of commons and to the media by Tory MPs have been worryingly close to comments made by Trump and his associates. They have been worryingly close to online trolls. They have been laced with too many ‘alternative facts’ and full of exaggerated language about immigrants. Language, its use and context are important and powerful.

These are elected officials with a social responsibility. Instead they are continue to stir things. We no longer need Farage and worry about UKIP. We have a whole bunch of them in the HoC and a quick trawl though Hansard reveals them in all their glory. To a privileged white man they are Trump apologists. During the debate over Trump’s visit to the UK, one even thought it appropriate to woof at a female MP. In 2017.

We might be very British in the way our alternative facts are being expressed but the same threats are very much present within British politics as they are currently in US politics. We might not have anyone quite as brash and brazen as Trump (with the possible exception of Farage), but this makes it more not less dangerous. People like IDS and Johnson add respectably to the thin veneer of hatred and xenophobia.

A50 is likely to pass the commons, without amendment as things stand. (I think we need to watch the Lords with interest) We are perhaps likely to enter a period where things might quieten down in the UK for a time. We must be vigilant and not accept normalisation and continue to make noise about how we feel about the future of this country or we will be dominated by the agenda of these individuals who have little respect for the interests of anyone who is not part of their boys club.

Theresa May may not be one of them, but like Trump she craves their approval and does share many of their values. She is happy to pander to them, and them to her as she makes their toxicity somehow more acceptable.

What women do next is crucial. Do we want to accept this vision of the future? Now is not the time to fall silence and accept that things are equal now. We know the reality. And it affects all of us, regardless of how we voted on 23rd June.

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RedToothBrush · 08/02/2017 10:24

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_589a45f1e4b04061313a1fbb
Leaks Suggest Trump’s Own Team Is Alarmed By His Conduct

President Donald Trump was confused about the dollar: Was it a strong one that’s good for the economy? Or a weak one?

So he made a call

Well this is a story!

He called his national security advisor Gen Flynn at 3am for advice on economics! Flynn apparently not impressed and said that was his field of expertise.

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RedToothBrush · 08/02/2017 10:32

Otto English @otto_english
Corbyn's vision for Britain like that of the right wing Brexiteers is stuck in the dim past. Let's hope Labour MPs show some guts #Article50

Pilaz Gomez @redalphababe
@Otto_English they seem to share desire to get back old order of polarised left and right and "class" division

Otto English @otto_english
Yes that's it. Corbyn wants a flat cap and coal miners Britain. The Brexiteers want thatched cottages, top hats and spitfires. The two fit.

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SapphireStrange · 08/02/2017 10:32

I know there is value in the MSPs expressing their opinion, I just wonder what practical good it will do. It seems that wherever we turn, nothing can be done about this madness.

I can't help but agree. I feel so despairing. I had hopes for Keir Starmer, but he seems to have been outmanoeuvred and cowed. I don't know how he holds up his head in his constituency.

We have never needed that progressive alliance more, but it isn't happening, is it?

Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 10:38

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RedToothBrush · 08/02/2017 10:40

Matt Haig @matthaig1
I miss 2016.

Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch
.@SemSunshine1 to be fair, so did Reagan. My sources in intelligence suggest Trump has early frontal temporal lobe dementia not Alzheimer's
Lawyers would be WELL ADVISED to demand to know if @RealDonaldTrump has been diagnosed with dementia. Health records as important as taxes

Sigh.

Still won't change shit even if true.

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SapphireStrange · 08/02/2017 10:42

I wonder how different things would all be if we could vote again now, knowing the only option on the table was hard brexit. Is that really what the leavers all wanted?

This is the cruz of it, isn't it? May and some Leavers seemingly rewriting history and insisting that everyone knew exactly what they were voting for, that leaving meant leaving the single market and customs union... in spite of Farage and Johnson going on during the campaign about Swiss and Norwegian models, and people of my acquaintance voting Leave because they wanted our relationship with the EU to be more like Switzerland's...

I continue to be astounded by just how much she is riding roughshod over the past, over any suggestion of parliamentary scrutiny and accountability, over some leavers' wishes...

There's a thread about people leaving the UK because of Brexit. It would be hard for me for lots of reasons, but in my current mood I could leave tomorrow and hang the consequences.

You are between a bit of a rock and a hard place with your USA 'option', aren't you?

SapphireStrange · 08/02/2017 10:42

crux, not cruz Grin

Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 10:44

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missmoon · 08/02/2017 10:48

Still won't change shit even if true.

Surely a severe mental health diagnosis would be enough grounds for impeachment (given nuclear codes, etc.)? What is the procedure for impeachment, does congress get to decide?

Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 10:49

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Badders123 · 08/02/2017 10:50

Welsh ukip am just admitted lies got the leave vote in the senned
Christ on a bike

woman12345 · 08/02/2017 10:58

missmoon
US is moving beyond congress getting any say.
Trump and Bannon is shutting down judges and congress.

May and Arron Banks are shutting down judges and parliament.
This is how it ends.

woman12345 · 08/02/2017 11:08

Even 15 years of 'terrorist' attacks in Europe, compared to say the years of the Bader Meinhof or IRA campaigns, have succeeded in decimating two continents.

ISIS or whatever they call themselves will be satisfied.

RedToothBrush · 08/02/2017 11:13

Congress have to have the will to impeach not just the reason to impeach.

Its currently not displaying that. Many Republicans like what Trump (Bannon) is doing.

This is the point.

Who is going to prove Trump has a health issue? How?

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Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 11:16

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boredofbrexit · 08/02/2017 11:18

Man the lifeboats!
Wheres the bugle?

FFSHmm

And Mother did you really mean to say that you wished Cameron had been executed?

Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 11:20

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SemiPermanent · 08/02/2017 11:21

I know Bored, bit extreme!

It's so Sad that this sort of violent hate speech has been normalised to the point that nobody seems bothered by it.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 11:22

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boredofbrexit · 08/02/2017 11:25

The itony, oh the irony!!Grin

boredofbrexit · 08/02/2017 11:27

I understand, Mother. You are between a rock and a hard place-pissed at labour but with a personal loathing of cleggy/lib(nin)dems. My sympathies.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 11:28

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HashiAsLarry · 08/02/2017 11:33

Brexit and Trump. Giant exercises in proving the idiom if you lie with dogs you'll get up with fleas.

CeciledeVolanges · 08/02/2017 11:34

I'm sure everyone has forgotten hear about the Conservative MP who wanted to have people who opposed Brexit prosecuted for Treason.

Just a little reminder here that the statutory penalty for treason is death.

It wasn't funny then.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/02/2017 11:37

It is the far right who impose capital punishment without trial on centre & left politicians, e.g. in the UK, USA, Norway

bored Did you really mean your earlier post about "pc rubbish"
for me that attitude - which I have heard before from Lexiters - is really concerning:
I now wonder if feminists, people of colour and all those groups helped by "pc" have just been conned for decades into voting for a left that has always secretly despised them, but now feel it is ok to say so.

There aren't enough of the old manual workers class to support a main party under FPTP
So it would mean the death of the Labour party as a serious force if it abandons the groups who depend on pc to level the ground.

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