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Westministenders: Boris and his friends hand in their homework to be marked.

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 14:10

The last week has been depressing for a lot of people.

Even if you are happy about the vote in the Commons, there is a worrying lack of backbone in MPs of all shades.

Then there’s what is going on in the USA which I’m going to quietly ignore in this post except to say that cosying up to Trump still could backfire on all who do for numerous reasons.

It seems like its all over in someways, but there is still plenty going on.

The A50 Bill has only passed stage one. The Government’s deliberate publishing of the White Paper after the vote has left a lot of people with egg all over their face.

Plus its just crap. Actually its not crap. It’s a dog dinner of farcical proportions with no content, faulty data and incorrect details that an A-Level Student did the night before their assignment was due, masquerading as an official government document.

Now its amendment time, which is the serious bit. For an amendment to make it, it will need cross party support. After the government failed to produce a White Paper worth the paper it was written on, and insulted the intelligence of the House of Commons, that could get interesting.

For starters the White Paper says that EU citizens are one of our best bargaining chips. Trouble is a lot of Tory and Labour MPs don’t agree.

In short there is a fair old chance of a government defeat next week at some point. The government don’t want any. Especially not this early. I really think it will be very difficult for the government to provide the assurance MPs will want, even if they crack the whip. They have lost the trust of too many. In voting for the first vote, many MPs will feel they have shown their intent to support leaving and now will get busy on trying to hammer down the details.

Highlights include of the White Paper include the idea that we will still be subject to the ECJ except we won’t. This is ridiculous. We will be subject to ECJ rulings but not be subject to ECJ rulings directly. Eh? What? (Not that we didn’t see this coming). There’s Euroatom and the government doing an impression of Homer Simpson. With a by-election in Copeland on the cards. That story has some time to keep running. As Steve Peers points out, the Leprechauns are going to sort out Northern Ireland for us which is a great political strategy to employ.

Its full of lots of other utter bollocks but those particular points are the ones that are potentially the most problematic for the government. If you don’t think the White Paper screams we are going to get eaten alive by the EU and Trump, you need to get off the hallucinogenics pronto.

If that isn’t awe inspiring enough we also have:

The wonderful mental image of Paul Nuttall kipping on a mattress in a house in Stoke disparately pretending to be a Stokie, nervously hoping that letterbox rattling in the wind isn’t C4 letterbox again and that the coppers don’t pay him a visit in the near future. I confess that whilst my imagination has been kept busy with this, I am disappointed in the lack of video clips of him munching on an Oatcake in a Stoke City shirt, sitting on an Armitage Shanks throne, turning his plate over whilst listening to Robbie Williams and with a Titanic by his side. All at the same time. I think he’s missed a few tricks.

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Diane Abbott doing quite possibly even more damage to Labour than them merely rolling over and dying over a50 by pulling a sickie. Her ‘Brexit Flu’ damages the party’s image and Corbyn himself even more. If that’s even possible. Some Labour MPs have demanded an apology.

Labour is starting to look like it’s a ship with rats fleeing this week. MPs have defied a three line whip and quite the Shadow Cabinet (Again). Rumours are that over 7000 members have left. A councillor has defected to the Lib Dems. There was a council by election in Rotherham where Lab lost a seat to the LDs in an area where there has never been as many people vote LD. Nor were there as many remain voters as LD voters. The Parliamentary vote for Unite’s new leader has unsurprisingly selected the anti-Corbyn candidate Gerald Coyne over Len McCluskey. The bookies have dropped the odds on Corbyn leaving Labour before a GE from 6/1 to 2/1 overnight. Oh and Red Ed is being rumoured to be returning to the front bench…

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unicornsIlovethem · 03/02/2017 20:06

Just place marking . Thank you again Red - look after yourself.

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/02/2017 20:07

#DressLikeAWoman: Twitter backlash against Trump "dress code"

Some great pictures of strong women, wearing clothes:

//www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/03/dresslikeawoman-backlash-over-reports-of-dress-code-for-trump-staff

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Gumpendorf · 03/02/2017 20:11

Some context to the Rotherham vote. I'm not sure how it explains the relatively high turnout (cf Dinnington) or the shift to Lib Dems. If anything, I might have thought people would stay at home.

http://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/view,council-byelections-in-brinsworth-and-catcliffe-and-dinnington_21425.htm

coughs Philip Davies's Dad was my Art teacher for a while. I was crap at Art Grin

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 20:14

If its documented, its fair game. Its not slander etc if its on Hansard or otherwise provable on some other form of public record. Quote the source and its totally fine.

Saying their name is perfectly reasonable. Its called 'holding people to account' for what they say or do in a position of responsibility in holding public office.

They obviously don't think women voters are important to them. Demonstrate they should revise this opinion.

I'm far from a raving feminist on the issue. A lot of this is not justifiable even with a bar of fairly moderate level of equality.

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/02/2017 20:15

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@sarahmozal
Bring your baby. Teach her to vote. Teach her to govern. Dress like Licia Ronzulli in European Parliament. #DressLikeAWoman

Westministenders: Boris and his friends hand in their homework to be marked.
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twofingerstoEverything · 03/02/2017 20:33

Definitely agree about the pig wrestling! Thanks for another thread, Red.

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HashiAsLarry · 03/02/2017 20:40

I'm not really sure how to dress like a woman other than just getting dressed Confused.

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SummerLightning · 03/02/2017 20:47

MPs must get loads of emails about Brexit. I can be arsed to write and I am notoriously lazy. I'd just keep on writing! My MP said she had hundreds of emails initially after the vote. I'd be interested to see how many of them bothered to email more than once.

Two fingers I like your name change.

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whatwouldrondo · 03/02/2017 20:58

red It is well researched. For every consumer who complains there are many more who felt the same but do not. No sensible business / organisation ignores this

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 20:58

Summer, I would too if I thought for a second it would make a difference but he is so awful I just know it's like talking to a brick wall. I've written about 6 times (4 times the other day when the emails were flying backwards and forwards).

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Peregrina · 03/02/2017 21:04

I think my count of emails is now 13, of which I have had one and a half replies. The half reply was when questions I hadn't asked were answered and those I had were ignored.

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SemiPermanent · 03/02/2017 21:04

^RE the Brexit Arms:
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."^
George Bernard Shaw

May as well be hung for a 🐷 as a 🐔 though! Grin

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JamieXeed74 · 03/02/2017 21:06

The last week has been exciting for a lot of people.

there is a worrying lack of backbone in MPs They didn't vote the way I wanted so I am upset

It seems like its all over in someways,.... it is now

the vote has left a lot of people the Labour party with egg all over their face

Plus its just crap sugar & spice.

Now its amendment remoaner time, which is the serious bit. After the government failed to produced a White Paper, and insulted the intelligence of the House of Commons, MPs have no back bone but they now have intelligence? Confused

For starters the White Paper says that EU citizens are one of our best bargaining chips. aka securing the rights of UK nationals in the EU

If you don’t think the White Paper screams we are going to get eaten alive by the EU and Trump, you need to get off the hallucinogenics pronto. *Righto >>sets drugs aside

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Peregrina · 03/02/2017 21:13

I don't think that Corbyn could go to prison for sitting on the floor of a train claiming that there were no seats, but Nuttall could be imprisoned for electoral fraud.

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HashiAsLarry · 03/02/2017 21:14

I haven't bothered contacting my local MP. He's a fucking twat a known misogynist and extremely pro brexit. His biggest thing right now is to get the blue passports back I don't care, my passport is pink. You know, rather than ensuring there are adequate school spaces for the kids who are being brought in to all the new build housing.

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 21:15

Hashi, must be best mates with mine then.

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whatwouldrondo · 03/02/2017 21:16

Bolshie scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/299892_10150360060520395_829598_n.jpg?oh=adb1900c6851d326ad897c5ce3c037e5&oe=593EA7EB

My empathy was particularly forged by the treatment of the boy fourth from the left on the front row who was continually "slippered" (bent over the table and hit on the bottom ) in front of the whole school by the Lemony Snikett Head. Even at 5, I knew that was wrong....

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Kaija · 03/02/2017 21:20

Christ, hashi. Have you explained to him that we could have kept blue ones all along?

I think we should change the passport covers, give leavers a medal each saying "I won the referendum" and otherwise carry on as we were, thereby dealing with both the "feeling of sovereignty" and the "best possible access to the market" issues outlined in the White Paper.

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woman12345 · 03/02/2017 21:27

^Labour looks at collaborating with Lib Dems and Greens in Stoke
Jeremy Corbyn’s aides in informal discussions over joint effort to keep Ukip’s Paul Nuttall out of Commons^
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/03/labour-explores-alliance-with-lib-dems-and-greens-in-stoke

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HashiAsLarry · 03/02/2017 21:29

kaija This is someone who has explained that SAHMs are lazy but mums also shouldn't have a lofty ideas of decent careers as we aren't capable. Last time I was near him my DH had to physically stop me from throwing a shoe at him. Braver souls than me have though, not that it changes his message.

He is the embodiment of Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired

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Kaija · 03/02/2017 21:33

Well he needs to go on the list. Have you got any links (or do you not want to say who it is?)

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boredofbrexit · 03/02/2017 21:35

would that be a star shaped medal then kaijaHmm

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woman12345 · 03/02/2017 21:37

Woo hoo! first one!!! Kaija

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Kaija · 03/02/2017 21:37

A star shaped medal for being misogynist, bored?

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HashiAsLarry · 03/02/2017 21:39

It's Andrew Rosindell of slagging off Rachel Reeves fame.

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