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Westministenders: Boris and his friends hand in their homework to be marked.

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 14:10

The last week has been depressing for a lot of people.

Even if you are happy about the vote in the Commons, there is a worrying lack of backbone in MPs of all shades.

Then there’s what is going on in the USA which I’m going to quietly ignore in this post except to say that cosying up to Trump still could backfire on all who do for numerous reasons.

It seems like its all over in someways, but there is still plenty going on.

The A50 Bill has only passed stage one. The Government’s deliberate publishing of the White Paper after the vote has left a lot of people with egg all over their face.

Plus its just crap. Actually its not crap. It’s a dog dinner of farcical proportions with no content, faulty data and incorrect details that an A-Level Student did the night before their assignment was due, masquerading as an official government document.

Now its amendment time, which is the serious bit. For an amendment to make it, it will need cross party support. After the government failed to produce a White Paper worth the paper it was written on, and insulted the intelligence of the House of Commons, that could get interesting.

For starters the White Paper says that EU citizens are one of our best bargaining chips. Trouble is a lot of Tory and Labour MPs don’t agree.

In short there is a fair old chance of a government defeat next week at some point. The government don’t want any. Especially not this early. I really think it will be very difficult for the government to provide the assurance MPs will want, even if they crack the whip. They have lost the trust of too many. In voting for the first vote, many MPs will feel they have shown their intent to support leaving and now will get busy on trying to hammer down the details.

Highlights include of the White Paper include the idea that we will still be subject to the ECJ except we won’t. This is ridiculous. We will be subject to ECJ rulings but not be subject to ECJ rulings directly. Eh? What? (Not that we didn’t see this coming). There’s Euroatom and the government doing an impression of Homer Simpson. With a by-election in Copeland on the cards. That story has some time to keep running. As Steve Peers points out, the Leprechauns are going to sort out Northern Ireland for us which is a great political strategy to employ.

Its full of lots of other utter bollocks but those particular points are the ones that are potentially the most problematic for the government. If you don’t think the White Paper screams we are going to get eaten alive by the EU and Trump, you need to get off the hallucinogenics pronto.

If that isn’t awe inspiring enough we also have:

The wonderful mental image of Paul Nuttall kipping on a mattress in a house in Stoke disparately pretending to be a Stokie, nervously hoping that letterbox rattling in the wind isn’t C4 letterbox again and that the coppers don’t pay him a visit in the near future. I confess that whilst my imagination has been kept busy with this, I am disappointed in the lack of video clips of him munching on an Oatcake in a Stoke City shirt, sitting on an Armitage Shanks throne, turning his plate over whilst listening to Robbie Williams and with a Titanic by his side. All at the same time. I think he’s missed a few tricks.

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Diane Abbott doing quite possibly even more damage to Labour than them merely rolling over and dying over a50 by pulling a sickie. Her ‘Brexit Flu’ damages the party’s image and Corbyn himself even more. If that’s even possible. Some Labour MPs have demanded an apology.

Labour is starting to look like it’s a ship with rats fleeing this week. MPs have defied a three line whip and quite the Shadow Cabinet (Again). Rumours are that over 7000 members have left. A councillor has defected to the Lib Dems. There was a council by election in Rotherham where Lab lost a seat to the LDs in an area where there has never been as many people vote LD. Nor were there as many remain voters as LD voters. The Parliamentary vote for Unite’s new leader has unsurprisingly selected the anti-Corbyn candidate Gerald Coyne over Len McCluskey. The bookies have dropped the odds on Corbyn leaving Labour before a GE from 6/1 to 2/1 overnight. Oh and Red Ed is being rumoured to be returning to the front bench…

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Peregrina · 03/02/2017 16:30

Maybe I could get a job as a gov adviser. Grin

You certainly won't be able to do much worse!

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 16:34

I think you are over qualified to be a government advisor. You'd be classed as one of those experts.

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AllTheLight · 03/02/2017 16:40

Place marking

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whatwouldrondo · 03/02/2017 16:42

woman I would get your application in to the Conservative party pronto. Somebody linked on here to a survey Conservative Home were doing on Brexit. It asked a question and there followed a scale you were supposed to rate your opinions by, except they hadn't labelled the scale to say what 1 and 10 actually stood for so likely to get a completely random result, which is no doubt now guiding Conservative policy..........

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 16:49

Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 58m
Labour MPs are currently in Parliament leading an #Endchildpoverty debate. I am sad so say some Tory MPs are trying to filibuster the debate

Did you see what Philip Davies did earlier this week?

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/feb/02/is-philip-davies-fit-to-be-an-mp
Is Philip Davies fit to be an MP? Philip Davis strangely gave pro-Trump views this week, and strangely happens to be pro-Leave.

There is a fair amount this week about the behaviour of male MPs (who seem to be Tories most of the time). There was the story of Sir Nicholas Soames too.
inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/sir-nicholas-soames-making-woof-sound-snp-tasmina-ahmed-sheikh-friendly-canine-salute/
Sir Nicholas Soames defends ‘woofing’ at SNP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh

Boris Johnson stepped to Soames's defence

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 16:54

Soames has previous. He used to cup his hands to suggest breasts when female MPs spoke. So female MPs retaliated by using the story his ex-wife gave that having sex with him was like a wardrobe falling on you with the key still in. Whenever he did it, the female MPs responded by pretending to turn a key and saying 'click'....

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HashiAsLarry · 03/02/2017 17:07

ron but the people will have spoken and we know the Tories can infer a lot about x when people answer a question on y Grin

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woman12345 · 03/02/2017 17:17

The Sex Discrimination and Race Relations Acts should be being used to prosecute the likes of Davies, Soames and Farage, while these laws exist......................
It is chilling, but illegal behaviour or is it permitted in the HOC? So what does that make the male MPs who acquiesce and collaborate?
No one is neutral nowadays.
Was going to take a short Obama break from the horror,but have completed the Chuka letter, have you all had it, are is it just me and ron who are his special friends?Wink
www.open-britain.co.uk/email_your_mp?utm_campaign=obemail_25_4&utm_medium=email&utm_source=in

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woman12345 · 03/02/2017 17:18

Always admired Clare Short for pressing on in campaign against page 3 despite bestial male behaviour in the house.

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LurkingHusband · 03/02/2017 17:21

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-malta-summit-european-leaders-rebuff-theresa-may-bridge-donald-trump-us-angela-merkel-francois-a7561106.html

EU leaders appeared to rebuff Theresa May’s offer to be a “bridge to Donald Trump” within hours of her arriving at an informal summit in Malta.

Both German Chancellor Angela Merkel and François Hollande, the French President, will “debrief” other EU leaders today with their own impressions of the new US President, it was announced.

The move immediately downplayed Ms May’s role in formulating an EU response to the Trump phenomenon – a role she hoped to take on, as the only leader to have met him face-to-face

(contd)

I particularly liked the strapline:

Theresa May offers to play diplomat to a wannabe despot, forgetting that the EU is the very reason most European leaders don't need to pander to Trump

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 17:26

I thought what was said in the HoC was subject to parliamentary privilege. Hence sexist behaviour can not be prosecuted if it happens in the chamber.

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 17:26

Woman I have had it but have decided there is just no point emailing my MP anymore. He replies to be fair but is the most eurosceptic of them all. I was watching the HoC debate the other day and he was there on his phone, my phone pinged shortly after, he'd replied whilst in the debate! Concentrating hard obviously. Unless it was his minions.

He is arrogant and bloody rude. V marginal seat, hope we can get rid of him next GE.

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IrenetheQuaint · 03/02/2017 17:27

And I thought Cameron was rubbish at EU diplomacy...

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 17:31

Oh dear, Theresa the appeaser is not very popular is she.

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Peregrina · 03/02/2017 17:32

It seems that I am one of Chuka's friends too, but I haven't read the letter yet.

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whatwouldrondo · 03/02/2017 17:36

Davies is particularly idiotic given he does not represent a seat that would vote for anything with a blue rosette. 1000 joined the woman's march in Shipley, which is surprising for what is just a small town a few miles along the Aire valley from Bradford, and many had a particular message for their MP. He of course dismissed them as "Socialists"........ www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-womens-march-president-shipley-protest-feminist-philip-davies-a7539076.html

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Lico · 03/02/2017 17:36

Extraordinary post by a poster about migrants contaminating food in lorries coming from Europe😀
It is 'in the news' section; thread: shortage of vegetables.

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woman12345 · 03/02/2017 17:39

Headfullofdreams can't say I blame you, mine is a minister and a banker, one of which is rhyming slang.

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Lico · 03/02/2017 17:44

Is it true that Bill Nash's father was killed on the beaches of Normandy?

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woman12345 · 03/02/2017 17:48

Of all the things that might provoke peaceful return to liberal democracy on these isle, I doubt broccoli rationing will do it. Hmm not to mention traitorous vegetables like aubergines.
www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/03/tip-of-the-iceberg-lettuce-rationing-broadens-to-broccoli-and-cabbage
McCullough said import prices had already risen by 10%, before the weather problems, as a result of the fall in the pound caused by the Brexit vote. “Occasionally you get a problem with one product, but this many for this amount of time is unheard of.

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prettybird · 03/02/2017 18:02

Just mentioned Theresa the Appeaser's hubris antics in Malta to dh and he said, "Isn't it Theresa the Malteser in this case?" Grin

shameless placemark Wink

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CeciledeVolanges · 03/02/2017 18:04

Philip Davis has utterly vile views about criminal justice as well,

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 18:07

Just watched Theresa the Malteser fling her bag at some poor unsuspecting guy behind her. How rude!! Shock

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 18:12

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/03/brexiters-face-rude-awakening-on-immigration-warns-ex-minister?CMP=twt_gu
Brexiters face rude awakening on immigration, warns ex-minister

Stephen Crabb urges Theresa May to rework the system as there is nothing to suggest a reduction of migrants is achievable or desirable

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Badders123 · 03/02/2017 18:15

Teresa the Malteaser!!
Grin

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