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Westministenders: Boris and his friends hand in their homework to be marked.

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 14:10

The last week has been depressing for a lot of people.

Even if you are happy about the vote in the Commons, there is a worrying lack of backbone in MPs of all shades.

Then there’s what is going on in the USA which I’m going to quietly ignore in this post except to say that cosying up to Trump still could backfire on all who do for numerous reasons.

It seems like its all over in someways, but there is still plenty going on.

The A50 Bill has only passed stage one. The Government’s deliberate publishing of the White Paper after the vote has left a lot of people with egg all over their face.

Plus its just crap. Actually its not crap. It’s a dog dinner of farcical proportions with no content, faulty data and incorrect details that an A-Level Student did the night before their assignment was due, masquerading as an official government document.

Now its amendment time, which is the serious bit. For an amendment to make it, it will need cross party support. After the government failed to produce a White Paper worth the paper it was written on, and insulted the intelligence of the House of Commons, that could get interesting.

For starters the White Paper says that EU citizens are one of our best bargaining chips. Trouble is a lot of Tory and Labour MPs don’t agree.

In short there is a fair old chance of a government defeat next week at some point. The government don’t want any. Especially not this early. I really think it will be very difficult for the government to provide the assurance MPs will want, even if they crack the whip. They have lost the trust of too many. In voting for the first vote, many MPs will feel they have shown their intent to support leaving and now will get busy on trying to hammer down the details.

Highlights include of the White Paper include the idea that we will still be subject to the ECJ except we won’t. This is ridiculous. We will be subject to ECJ rulings but not be subject to ECJ rulings directly. Eh? What? (Not that we didn’t see this coming). There’s Euroatom and the government doing an impression of Homer Simpson. With a by-election in Copeland on the cards. That story has some time to keep running. As Steve Peers points out, the Leprechauns are going to sort out Northern Ireland for us which is a great political strategy to employ.

Its full of lots of other utter bollocks but those particular points are the ones that are potentially the most problematic for the government. If you don’t think the White Paper screams we are going to get eaten alive by the EU and Trump, you need to get off the hallucinogenics pronto.

If that isn’t awe inspiring enough we also have:

The wonderful mental image of Paul Nuttall kipping on a mattress in a house in Stoke disparately pretending to be a Stokie, nervously hoping that letterbox rattling in the wind isn’t C4 letterbox again and that the coppers don’t pay him a visit in the near future. I confess that whilst my imagination has been kept busy with this, I am disappointed in the lack of video clips of him munching on an Oatcake in a Stoke City shirt, sitting on an Armitage Shanks throne, turning his plate over whilst listening to Robbie Williams and with a Titanic by his side. All at the same time. I think he’s missed a few tricks.

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Diane Abbott doing quite possibly even more damage to Labour than them merely rolling over and dying over a50 by pulling a sickie. Her ‘Brexit Flu’ damages the party’s image and Corbyn himself even more. If that’s even possible. Some Labour MPs have demanded an apology.

Labour is starting to look like it’s a ship with rats fleeing this week. MPs have defied a three line whip and quite the Shadow Cabinet (Again). Rumours are that over 7000 members have left. A councillor has defected to the Lib Dems. There was a council by election in Rotherham where Lab lost a seat to the LDs in an area where there has never been as many people vote LD. Nor were there as many remain voters as LD voters. The Parliamentary vote for Unite’s new leader has unsurprisingly selected the anti-Corbyn candidate Gerald Coyne over Len McCluskey. The bookies have dropped the odds on Corbyn leaving Labour before a GE from 6/1 to 2/1 overnight. Oh and Red Ed is being rumoured to be returning to the front bench…

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/02/2017 18:16

Great summary as always, thanks red Flowers

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lalalonglegs · 03/02/2017 18:23

Another Friend of Chuka here - email to my steadfastedly ignoring correspondence MP sent.

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CeciledeVolanges · 03/02/2017 18:28

So I am looking a bit at the Brexit thread, and I've seen a post accusing remainers of making up the chlorinated chicken thing to keep us in the EU.
I quite want to stay in the EU so that I don't have to eat chlorinated chicken. Or eggs from hens in cages below EU welfare standards.

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Bolshybookworm · 03/02/2017 18:29

I'm in Davies constituency (lucky me Hmm). It's very mixed. Some very deprived areas, some very arty, left wing and then spreading out into semi-rural, moneyed villages. He is rated locally as an MP (has been active in working on some housing and flooding issues that predominantly affect the conservative voting villages), but I think he has gone too far in his bizarre self-promotion campaign. There will be a hell of a lot of people campaigning to get him out next election.

I have no words for his open letter, what a load of pompous, mansplaining b. I love how he rants on and on about how he's all for equality but fails to mention a single instance where he has supported this for women. Men don't need equality, Phil, they've been dominant for several millennia.

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Badders123 · 03/02/2017 18:31

I've been accused of laze stereotypes
By someone who called me a "kept woman"
Hmm

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woman12345 · 03/02/2017 18:31

Top tips:
www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/27/in-venezuela-we-couldnt-stop-chavez-dont-make-the-same-mistakes-we-did/?utm_term=.b79a68247768
My main takeaway form this is bridge building, internally as well as externally. Go to the places where the other side are and build those bridges. Not quite sure how. Chlorinated chicken and straight banana surprise recipes?

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Badders123 · 03/02/2017 18:32

Lazy even
BlushGrin

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TheSmurfsAreHere · 03/02/2017 18:34

Struggling to follow there.
You lot never stop posting!

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Badders123 · 03/02/2017 18:35

DT to "review" Dodd
His friends have "nice" businesses and they "can't borrow"
Recession here we come.....

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/02/2017 18:36

Evil Bastard Alert - summary

Hard Brexit fanatic Philip Davies said during the US election campaign that he would vote for Trump "in a heartbeat"

He said more women should be sent to prison - to achieve equality with men
(doesn't matter that women commit far fewer serious crimes, lock 'em up)

He suggested in the HoC that disabled people should work for below minimum wage:

"Given that some of those people with a learning disability clearly, by definition, cannot be as productive in their work as somebody who has not got a disability of that nature

He filibusters in the HoC to try to defeat any bill that might help people who aren't male and / or wealthy:

He attempted to block the domestic violence bill, which was ratifying the Istambul international treaty on domestic and sexual violence

His victories prevented:

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NotDavidTennant · 03/02/2017 18:41

RE the Brexit Arms:

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." George Bernard Shaw

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woman12345 · 03/02/2017 18:45

BCF Davis is a gruesome apology for a human being. Maybe this thread could be the knitting list, like the lady in Tale of Two Cities kept as evidence, for when they fall from power, as they will.

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/02/2017 18:47

< avoids wrestling with mucky pigs anywhere >

How the hell did someone like Philip Davies - become someone like Philip Davies ? Upbringing ?

How the hell does a loathsome excrescence like Davies ever get selected by his local party and then repeatedly reelected by voters ?
(I assume voters didn't know in the first GE what he'd be like)

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 18:49

Ooo Philip Davies seat is an interesting one. Only 48% leave. The area is definitely far too right wing in how it voted in 2015 for that result. I think he should be worried by about 15% of the vote on that basis. (Strangely this is about what the LDs lost in 2015. How strange).

The problem is Lab came second and the LD came a very distant 5th though came third in 2010.

The LDs couldn't take the seat without the Lab vote taking a big hit too (about a third of its vote in 2015). Its more likely that Davies would keep the seat purely through divide and conquer.

BUT, its one of those seats I wouldn't rule out strange things happening in and is more unpredictable than people realise and the polls betray imho...

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SemiPermanent · 03/02/2017 18:50

I am disappointed in the lack of video clips of him munching on an Oatcake in a Stoke City shirt, sitting on an Armitage Shanks throne, turning his plate over whilst listening to Robbie Williams and with a Titanic by his side. All at the same time. I think he’s missed a few tricks.

This made me lol Grin

And #PrayForDiane

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/02/2017 18:51

woman I'm 60. If my fears are correct that the right are in power until the 2030 GE - you may have to carrying on knitting on my behalf

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lalalonglegs · 03/02/2017 18:55

The more I read about Philip Davies, the more I am convinced he is having some sort of mental breakdown. Someone linked to a story yesterday in which he had refused to support "honour killing" legislation because it didn't include men... even though it specifically did include men Confused.

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 18:56

Davies is best mates with my MP, a fellow filibuster. I think the reason they get voted in is because people vote for the party rather than the person and don't do much research into their voting history.

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gisforGirl · 03/02/2017 18:57

Gin Thanks

I fear I am addicted to the Westministenders threads. Informative and entertaining. Thank you.

I'd love to know how many people follow these threads. They are my and Dh's go to source for all things Brexit. Star

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Badders123 · 03/02/2017 18:57

I wonder if - like farage and Trump - his parents were uninterested/alcoholics/absent?

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Kaija · 03/02/2017 18:59

If you had to put a figure on it, how many myths about the EU do we think the tabloids have been feeding the British public over the years? Proper detailed, specific ones, not just common or garden immigrants ate my house/school/hospital headlines?

This is astounding. Can't think how Leave won...

blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 18:59

Yes there's got to be some explanation for it.

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 19:00

Kaija, at least 5 a day in the Fail.

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gisforGirl · 03/02/2017 19:02

"RE the Brexit Arms:

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." George Bernard Shaw"


Love it. Quite succinct.

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 19:12

Just thinking, maybe when the time comes there should be a little MN campaign about the really sexist MPs in the HoCs.... to really make people aware of just how bad some of them are.

They'd love that.

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