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Westministenders: Boris and his friends hand in their homework to be marked.

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 14:10

The last week has been depressing for a lot of people.

Even if you are happy about the vote in the Commons, there is a worrying lack of backbone in MPs of all shades.

Then there’s what is going on in the USA which I’m going to quietly ignore in this post except to say that cosying up to Trump still could backfire on all who do for numerous reasons.

It seems like its all over in someways, but there is still plenty going on.

The A50 Bill has only passed stage one. The Government’s deliberate publishing of the White Paper after the vote has left a lot of people with egg all over their face.

Plus its just crap. Actually its not crap. It’s a dog dinner of farcical proportions with no content, faulty data and incorrect details that an A-Level Student did the night before their assignment was due, masquerading as an official government document.

Now its amendment time, which is the serious bit. For an amendment to make it, it will need cross party support. After the government failed to produce a White Paper worth the paper it was written on, and insulted the intelligence of the House of Commons, that could get interesting.

For starters the White Paper says that EU citizens are one of our best bargaining chips. Trouble is a lot of Tory and Labour MPs don’t agree.

In short there is a fair old chance of a government defeat next week at some point. The government don’t want any. Especially not this early. I really think it will be very difficult for the government to provide the assurance MPs will want, even if they crack the whip. They have lost the trust of too many. In voting for the first vote, many MPs will feel they have shown their intent to support leaving and now will get busy on trying to hammer down the details.

Highlights include of the White Paper include the idea that we will still be subject to the ECJ except we won’t. This is ridiculous. We will be subject to ECJ rulings but not be subject to ECJ rulings directly. Eh? What? (Not that we didn’t see this coming). There’s Euroatom and the government doing an impression of Homer Simpson. With a by-election in Copeland on the cards. That story has some time to keep running. As Steve Peers points out, the Leprechauns are going to sort out Northern Ireland for us which is a great political strategy to employ.

Its full of lots of other utter bollocks but those particular points are the ones that are potentially the most problematic for the government. If you don’t think the White Paper screams we are going to get eaten alive by the EU and Trump, you need to get off the hallucinogenics pronto.

If that isn’t awe inspiring enough we also have:

The wonderful mental image of Paul Nuttall kipping on a mattress in a house in Stoke disparately pretending to be a Stokie, nervously hoping that letterbox rattling in the wind isn’t C4 letterbox again and that the coppers don’t pay him a visit in the near future. I confess that whilst my imagination has been kept busy with this, I am disappointed in the lack of video clips of him munching on an Oatcake in a Stoke City shirt, sitting on an Armitage Shanks throne, turning his plate over whilst listening to Robbie Williams and with a Titanic by his side. All at the same time. I think he’s missed a few tricks.

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Diane Abbott doing quite possibly even more damage to Labour than them merely rolling over and dying over a50 by pulling a sickie. Her ‘Brexit Flu’ damages the party’s image and Corbyn himself even more. If that’s even possible. Some Labour MPs have demanded an apology.

Labour is starting to look like it’s a ship with rats fleeing this week. MPs have defied a three line whip and quite the Shadow Cabinet (Again). Rumours are that over 7000 members have left. A councillor has defected to the Lib Dems. There was a council by election in Rotherham where Lab lost a seat to the LDs in an area where there has never been as many people vote LD. Nor were there as many remain voters as LD voters. The Parliamentary vote for Unite’s new leader has unsurprisingly selected the anti-Corbyn candidate Gerald Coyne over Len McCluskey. The bookies have dropped the odds on Corbyn leaving Labour before a GE from 6/1 to 2/1 overnight. Oh and Red Ed is being rumoured to be returning to the front bench…

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Kaija · 03/02/2017 19:17

That would be good.

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 19:20

Great idea!

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Peregrina · 03/02/2017 19:22

Has this link been shared yet about
Brexiters facing a rude awakening about immigration? This comes from Stephen Crabb who is a Tory, not some 'leftie'.

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Everytimeref · 03/02/2017 19:25

Place marking. Thanks for the informative stuff.

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woman12345 · 03/02/2017 19:26

Let's do it! Big sister is watching Grin

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whatwouldrondo · 03/02/2017 19:29

Bolshy Grew up in one of those villages, and they were not moneyed until the builders moved in on the surrounding fields, indeed our row of four modern 3 bed detached houses was known as "millionaires row" in a village of old cottages and a large Council estate, that survived on the back of a quarry and a Mill. My social awareness was honed playing with all the friends who came from families with what seemed like endless children at the rec, I know what deprived and unwashed actually smells and feels like. However the village was Conservative in an old fashioned rural sense. We had a terrible prig of a Conservative Councillor aptly called Percy who was mates with Poulson etc. corrupt I can well imagine someone like Davies could still manage to garner votes, not sure that is entirely down to the commuter estates.........

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CeciledeVolanges · 03/02/2017 19:31

Red you forget yourself - 52% is the people. It is an overwhelming majority which turns mendacious campaigns into collective decisions! 48%? Nobody voted to leave in Philip Davies' seat!

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Kaija · 03/02/2017 19:32

"Has this link been shared yet about
<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/03/brexiters-face-rude-awakening-on-immigration-warns-ex-minister?CMP=twt_gu" rel="nofollow noindex" target="_blank">Brexiters facing a rude awakening about immigration? This comes from Stephen Crabb who is a Tory, not some 'leftie'."

It's ok because we'll have our sovereignty back -



sorry - feeling of sovereignty.

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Bolshybookworm · 03/02/2017 19:32

RE Philip Davies, I think he got voted back in because despite being a gigantic boil on the arse of humanity he does a decent job as a local MP. Before 2005, Shipley was Labour. As to why the switch, I think it's most likely that labour lost votes due to Iraq (total guess though!). There's a lot of left wingers in saltaire who I could see switching to green after Iraq. Philip Davies will also have picked up a lot of votes with the rich old white people in ilkley, Baildon, Burley. As I said, very mixed and unpredictable constituency.

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MockTurtleSoup · 03/02/2017 19:36

Evening everyone Wine thanks for new thread, great info and links.

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Bolshybookworm · 03/02/2017 19:39

Trying to work out which village, Ron Grin
Very few actual council houses left in the wharfedale towns/villages now, they're all privately owned. Ex council go for upwards of £220,000 near us, it's a bit nuts. Huge influx of middle class as the schools round here are good in comparison to much of Leeds/Bradford.

I thinks there's a lot of people round here who don't care about Philip Davies' view, just that he backed whatever they were campaigning for (mostly stopping massive housing developments).

Ilkley has always been posh though Grin

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 19:43

MPPig.

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 19:45

If everyone can keep an eye out for MPs being pigs and simply post about it anywhere on MN. If you put the codeword MPPig in the post as well, then it should be dead easy to come back to and reference. All you have to do is search for MPPig and then all the dirt is there ready and waiting for someone to remind everyone of. It could be subject to sabotage, but I think that would also illustrate something too which would be noteworthy...

That way anyone in the next 3 years can do it. It doesn't matter if these threads cease. As long as someone remembers, it can be picked up at a later date. Then there is collective ownership of the idea for the future too.

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ElenaGreco123 · 03/02/2017 19:46

Thanks for the shiny new red and thanks for the link to Chuka's email campaign ron. My MP is just going to go "Not her, again. The nutter!"

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 19:49

Elena, think my MP thinks that about me.

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 19:51

Red can we actually name them or do we have to give them obvious nicknames so there are no legal probs?

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/02/2017 19:55

Danger to the US - from a Norway PM ?

Former Norway PM Kjell Magne Bondevik - with diplomatic passport ! - held & questioned at Washington airport over 2014 visit to Iran.

He never had a problem travelling to the US before.
btw, he is president of the Oslo Centre, a human rights organisation - maybe that is now a Crime Against Trump ?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/03/former-norway-pm-bondevik-held-washington-dulles-airport-2014-visit-iran

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/02/2017 19:57

Great idea about documenting the worst hater MPs (not just the silly fools)
< sits next to woman on Big Sister Bench >

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SemiPermanent · 03/02/2017 19:58

Headful, I wouldn't have thought there'd be any problems if it's something they've actually been caught doing - like the woofing etc.

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 19:59

Semi, yes agree, facts not slander

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/02/2017 20:02

The "click" for the small key and Nicholas Soames is provable Grin

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woman12345 · 03/02/2017 20:03

If we quote Hansard, that's probably OK isn't it?
But Soames and Davis were widely reported in the press.
Red that's so lovely the collective ownership of the idea, really great Flowers

'Tale of Two Cities'
The wife of Monsieur Defarge, Madame Defarge assists the revolutionaries by stitching the names of their enemies into her knitting. Madame Defarge wants political liberty for the French people, but she is even more powerfully motivated by a bloodthirsty desire for revenge, hoping to exterminate anyone related to the Evrémondes

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woman12345 · 03/02/2017 20:03

BCF Grin

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 20:04

Any half decent MPs also know that whilst you might be the one pestering them, you still represent a whole bunch of people who think the same or similar in your constituencies. Its the law of written complains where one complaint merely reflects a whole bunch of others, who just couldn't be arsed to take the time to make that complaint.

Plus the chances are they probably have several people doing the same. It doesn't take many in a constituency to make a racket in terms of an issue. 2 or 3 in every constituency making a nuisance of themselves on a regular basis still says something.

There are MPs with hides like rhinos in arrogance over Brexit, but are also a great many are still wrestling with their consciousness over Brexit.

There was an AWFUL lot of angst in the HoC on Tuesday and Wednesday with MP after MP tripping over themselves to have on record why they were voting the way they were. Several stood up and said they were making the point to their constituents and not the HoC itself.

I rather suspect that MPs are used to letters from real 'nutters'. Most correspondence about Brexit, are probably very, very reasonable in comparison. Don't forget, many MPs are also used to abuse and more personal harassment as a result of the job. Your letter/email might be the one that they are relieved to get in comparison!

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Headfullofdreams · 03/02/2017 20:05

Now this is the way to "drain the swamp", move over Amateur Banks!

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