to share with you the croudfund link for the new legal action to stop brexit

[MarieBurnham]

www.crowdjustice.org/case/brexit-for-the-100/

I've only given a tenner, but there are plenty of rich people (unless it's all stealth boasting about dipique candles) here, so we should be able to help.

It's currently at 18.507k and needs 70!

[JustAnotherSimpleOldNumber]

People over look the fact that 3 days ago labour backed the article 50 timetable in return for the ability to scrutinise the deal and make amendments.

[Suppermummy02]

oh god another remoaner thread.

WFT! lawyers touting for business, does the liberal elite have no shame?
And as for using the Irish courts, its just cowardly!

We voted to LEAVE, we didn't vote to leave a little bit, we didn't vote to leave but really stay, we didn't vote to pretend to leave but really stay. WE VOTED TO LEAVE THE EU

These remoaners are going to destroy this country, just so they can say I told you it would destroy the country.

[ConcreteUnderpants]

I think people who earn below a certain amount should not be eligible to vote. Or perhaps we should base it on qualifications. Either way, the rich should decide.
Hear, hear, Elanrode, although I think you forgot to put 'white' in there somewhere.

Also, bring back hanging, I say!

[Suppermummy02]

Its looking more and more like we are going to have to have a popular uprising before the liberal elite start to listen to us.

[ImYourMama]

I voted leave and I stand by that decision- I'm 24

[amispartacus]

We voted to LEAVE, we didn't vote to leave a little bit, we didn't vote to leave but really stay, we didn't vote to pretend to leave but really stay. WE VOTED TO LEAVE THE EU

What does leaving the EU look like? Are there any elements of being part of the EU that you would like to keep?

Like it or not, Europe is a massive trading partner. It's a massive market on our doorstep.

It's very easy to say WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. It's a lot more difficult to say what that looks like, what deals we will have and what compromises need to be made to ensure we don't shoot ourselves in the foot and become an irrelevant island of 65 million people just off France.

[JustAnotherSimpleOldNumber]

personally I think it'll end up with paid access to the single market and access via other trading partners who are members (Poland, Netherlands and Italy most likely.)

[80sMum]

This is NOT about stopping Brexit! So, YABU, OP, to suggest that it is and to mislead others into believing the same.

One of the purposes of the case is to answer the question of whether or not a notification made under Article 50 could be revoked, for the following reasons.

"Parliament cannot conduct our negotiations with the EU. Only the Government can. But the Government possesses little or no democratic mandate for these choices: there is nothing about them in its Manifesto. So it must be guided by - and accountable to - Parliament. Only Parliament can speak for all of us.

The Government has promised to produce a plan for its Brexit negotiations. And to allow Parliament to scrutinise that plan. The Government says it will then notify the EU (under Article 50) that the UK wishes to begin the formal process of withdrawing from the EU. It will negotiate with the EU a withdrawal agreement and, likely, an agreement shaping our future relationship with our biggest trading partner. But what happens when it returns? How will Parliament hold it to account?

If we cannot withdraw our Article 50 notification then Parliament will have to accept those agreements - whatever their content. Like a Model T Ford, it will be able to choose any colour it wants, but only so long as it's black. The Government will have free reign to do exactly what it wants. There will be no control by Parliament.

But if the notification can be withdrawn Parliament will have a choice: it will be free to reject that deal. And, because the Government knows this, and because it wishes to deliver the result of the Referendum, it will have to try to do the deal that Parliament wants or it will risk the possibility that Parliament throws the deal out.

So it is only by establishing whether we can revoke Article 50 that Parliament can fulfil its obligation to deliver a Brexit for the 100%."

Surely, that's not an unreasonable question to ask? Brexit will happen. It will affect us all, for decades to come. Surely, we should have some say in what form it takes?

I am astonished that people who may have voted Leave on a "take back control" ticket now appear perfectly happy to relinquish all control to the government!

[amispartacus]

ersonally I think it'll end up with paid access to the single market and access via other trading partners who are members

Let's not hope it's £350 million a week.....

[JustAnotherSimpleOldNumber]

Surely, that's not an unreasonable question to ask? Brexit will happen. It will affect us all, for decades to come. Surely, we should have some say in what form it takes?

It's a very seriouse point that needs asking. However the OP is either watering down what this means to get the money required or is ignorant to what this means. The result is the same either way, Threads like this have damaged the campaign as it's intended.

[JustAnotherSimpleOldNumber]

Let's not hope it's £350 million a week.....

shhh. stop raising good points!

[soisolated]

You are definitely not being unreasonable I will be putting my money in.
Not a democratic referendum in any way and advisory not compulsory. My country is bring taken away by nonsense and I will do everything I can to stop it

[JustAnotherSimpleOldNumber]

soisolated

This isn't about stopping it.

[amispartacus]

Surely, we should have some say in what form it takes

'We' should. And 'we' are our elected representatives. We elect people to represent us in Parliament and to take decisions on our behalf. We have decided to leave the EU. It does seem fair that our elected representatives actually debate and decide what the 'red lines in the sand' are.

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

Not a democratic referendum

So what is a democratic referendum one then. Guessing onew that gets the result you want.

[Suppermummy02]

What does leaving the EU look like? Are there any elements of being part of the EU that you would like to keep?
Leave the single market, the customs union, the ECJ, the EEA
End the budget contributions
Control our own boarders, laws, waters
We do not need to be in the EU to trade with them, that's just nonsense.
When we leave I think its perfectly possible we could cooperate on some things but it will be on equal terms, we will no longer be subservient.

Its pretty straight forward LEAVE the EU, its looks like us walking away, its very very easy. All these attempts to stop BREXIT will harm our country, the idea that we will ever go back to being good little Europeans is bat shit crazy. If lawyers find a way to stop us leaving we will have to destroy the EU from within.

[Suppermummy02]

Why are Mumsnet allowing Irish lawyers to fundraise for a political agenda?

[80sMum]

amispartacus that's exactly my point! "We", as in Parliament, will have no say! There will be nobody to speak or negotiate on our behalf! The government will be unaccountable!

[ElfontheShelfIsWATCHINGYOUTOO]

I don't want to say anything inflammatory but it was the less educated people below middle class that voted en mass for it


Thank you op, when I read stuff like this - I get on my knees and kiss the ground that the vote went the correct way and we voted LEAVE.

Because as repugnant as that sentiment is - there are many in the EU hierarchy who feel the same as you op. They want to inflict an un voted for political ideology on the EU and they don't care what is in their way, they will proceed at literally all costs. They care nothing for the poor and un educated people across the EU, collateral damage - fodder in the face of the Great EU Egoistical Juggernaut.

So thanks for reminding me what we voted against. And thank the good folk of the UK for voting to get the hell out of it.

[amispartacus]

We do not need to be in the EU to trade with them, that's just nonsense

No we don't. Trading is easier if there's less barriers to trade though. Still, what's a few trade barriers and tariffs between friends?

We could of course pay to have easier access to the market though.

[JustAnotherSimpleOldNumber]

amispartacus that's exactly my point! "We", as in Parliament, will have no say! There will be nobody to speak or negotiate on our behalf! The government will be unaccountable!

Um.... yeah there will. I explained up thread labour gained parliment the right to do this 3 days ago in return for backing May's March timetable.
It means you can write to your MP about it.

[amispartacus]

The government will be unaccountable

Yes. An unaccountable decision and negotiations being made on behalf of the people without its elected representatives having their say.

I seem to remember the EU debate being about sovereignty and a lack of say in important decision making.