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to share with you the croudfund link for the new legal action to stop brexit

638 replies

MarieBurnham · 10/12/2016 09:23

www.crowdjustice.org/case/brexit-for-the-100/

I've only given a tenner, but there are plenty of rich people (unless it's all stealth boasting about dipique candles) here, so we should be able to help.

It's currently at 18.507k and needs 70!

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 10/12/2016 14:16
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amispartacus · 10/12/2016 14:16

op

We are going to leave the EU. What kind of deal would you like to see?

amispartacus · 10/12/2016 14:17

OK, so if you want to give all power to the government and not Parliament, what's to stop that government passing a law banning general elections

The Queen?

WellErrr · 10/12/2016 14:18

Are you being deliberately obtuse 80s?

restinginmyaccount · 10/12/2016 14:20

Wouldn't waste my time or money. But having a little chuckle at UK judges and, potentially, the unelected UK House of Lords slowing it all down. Because it's all about democracy and sovereignty.
I still accept the vote even though I'm a Remoaner.

amispartacus · 10/12/2016 14:23

But having a little chuckle at UK judges and, potentially, the unelected UK House of Lords slowing it all down

It's been alarming to see the reaction of the press to the judges. I hate the use of the word 'people' - as in the people have spoken, against the people. Many people voted to remain. It was a close run thing. It seems that a lot of the country are being ignored and not having their concerns about leaving listened to.

I voted remain. We are going to leave but it would be nice to have my representatives acknowledge the concerns of the people who voted remain discussed and not dismissed.

Butterymuffin · 10/12/2016 14:24

Thanks for this OP. I don't see any pride to be taken in saying you accept a result based on misinformation and flat out lies. Anything we can do to challenge it is fine by me. #proudRemoaner

80sMum · 10/12/2016 14:24

restinginmyaccount "I'm a Remoaner but I won't waste my time or money funding a legal fight against the outcome of the vote."

The OP has mislead you. That's not what the legal campaign is about. The outcome of the referendum was fixed on 24th June. That's not going to change. This campaign is about Parliament representing the electorate in critically important negotiations that will affect the future of this country and of all of us who live and work here.

80sMum · 10/12/2016 14:29

wellerr "Are you being deliberately obtuse 80s?"

Sorry! No. What have I missed?

JustAnotherSimpleOldNumber · 10/12/2016 14:32

I don't see any pride to be taken in saying you accept a result based on misinformation and flat out lies.

You realise the OP has misinformed and outright lied to you in the opening post?

WellErrr · 10/12/2016 14:35

Just the irony...Grin

80s Brexit wasn't about taking control from the UK parliament and giving it solely to the present government - it was about taking control from the largely unelected (by us) EU parliament, and giving it back to our own UK parliament.

Suppermummy02 · 10/12/2016 14:55

One of the things that's come out of this debate is the divisiveness in this country - I agree and I think its caused by the small group of elites who are only for democracy when they get what they want and are trying to overrule the will of the people using expensive lawyers.

When the majority of people who have been left behind by globalisation are told their vote no longer matters, it starts to breed a very divisive angry population.

Suppermummy02 · 10/12/2016 15:12

We elect Parliament in this country, not the government
No we elect the house of commons, who chose the government from all the MPs we have ELECTED. We DO NOT elect Parliament.

Parliament decided to ask the electorate if we should stay or leave the EU. So we should leave the EU and not let rich lawyers overturn the democratic will of the people. Then Parliament or Government can negotiate a trade deal with the EU in the normal way it always does trade deals.

If the country doesn't like what happens they can vote for a different governing party at the next election and democratically change things.

That is how democracy works. Why should lawyers in Ireland and then Luxembourg dictate if we are allowed to leave the EU or not.

Mistigri · 10/12/2016 15:28

The legal questions that are being asked should have been settled before the referendum, particularly with regard to the constitutional and legal issues around article 50.

I donated to the A50 case and will give to this too.

We do not elect Parliament

We elect the lower House of Parliament. What do you think general elections are for, and why do you think that the person you vote for is called a parliamentary candidate? (And then a member of parliament, once elected).

We don't vote for the Lords, which is an aberration, but nevertheless the primary legislative authority is the House of Commons - this is what people commonly mean when they say "Parliament". The idea that we don't elect it is just plain weird.

ElizabethHoney · 10/12/2016 15:38

I don't want to say anything inflammatory but it was the less educated people below middle class that voted en mass for it

I wouldn't usually correct other people's grammar or spelling online, but when you dismiss people with differing political views as less educated and below middle class, you ought to check the spelling of your (arrogant, rude, snobbish) post! Grin

amispartacus · 10/12/2016 15:44

No we elect the house of commons, who chose the government from all the MPs we have ELECTED. We DO NOT elect Parliament

What do you think Parliament is? Yes, we have the unelected House of Lords bu ultimately it's the Commons that has its say. In theory, the unelected and unaccountable Monarch could block things.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 10/12/2016 16:07

I don't see any pride to be taken in saying you accept a result based on misinformation and flat out lies.

I take it you mean 'both' sides?

I'm not naive enough to believe that only leave 'lied'

Mistigri · 10/12/2016 16:42

Is there no such thing as a leaver who thinks that we need answers to valid legal questions, like whether A50 can be revoked, or whether A50 automatically terminates EEA membership?

A legal ruling that A50 is irrevocable would make demands for a second referendum moot. What is there to fear?

Suppermummy02 · 10/12/2016 16:48

The legal questions that are being asked should have been settled before the referendum, particularly with regard to the constitutional and legal issues around article 50

Before the referendum everyone on both sides was perfectly clear exactly what Brexit meant. Trigger A50, negotiate trade deal and 2 years later we are sovereign again. Their were no legal questions to answer, they are only being invented because some people don't like the outcome of the vote and lawyers are lining their pockets.

That's the problem with lawyers, they are able to invent legal ambiguities to allow anyone to try and stop us leaving the EU. So even if it had said in the referendum that it was compulsory rather than advisory, lawyers could still have claimed it was illegal for any number of reasons.

The idea that voters didn't know what thy voted for and we need to know what we are getting before we leave, is a nonsense because there is no way to answer that until after we complete the negotiations.

JustAnotherSimpleOldNumber · 10/12/2016 16:51

Is there no such thing as a leaver who thinks that we need answers to valid legal questions, like whether A50 can be revoked, or whether A50 automatically terminates EEA membership?

To be fair lots of people have jumped into this thread thinking it's something it isn't, due to the OP's misinformed idea that it's about stopping brexit .
If it was actually explained in the OP what this was a lot more people would be for it, people from both sides.

As it stand now it's too late for this thread to gain understanding and the damage to the campagin is done.

Suppermummy02 · 10/12/2016 17:00

A legal ruling that A50 is irrevocable would make demands for a second referendum moot. What is there to fear?

Umm how about a several years of bias ECJ court procrastination and the uncertainty destroying our country, while we continue to pay billions into the corrupt EU coffers, and millions more migrants flooding in. Then the ridiculous situation of us having to elect MEPs to the institution we are trying to leave.

Mistigri · 10/12/2016 17:17

Bias is a noun not an adjective.

Justanother Maugham's crowdfunding campaign looks set to reach its target this weekend.

WrongTrouser · 10/12/2016 17:30

I don't want to say anything inflammatory but it was the less educated people below middle class that voted en mass for it

OP What does below middle class mean? Is it a hierarchy with middle class people better than working class people? I thought these were different socioeconomic groups - I didn't realize some groups were "above" others.

Also, your understanding of the voting stats is remarkably cartoonish for someone who presumably considers herself educated. Where I live we voted en masse for leave, more than 70% and most of us comfortably well off (even some who can read and write too).

Suppermummy02 · 10/12/2016 17:55

Bias is a noun not an adjective
Guess I am one of the uneducated masses that didn't know what they were voting for when I voted leave and you are one of the undemocratic liberal elite who look down on us. Or maybe it was just a typo.

RachelRagged · 10/12/2016 18:00

Wah wah look at you all throwing your toys out your fucking prams because you lost . . GROW THE FUCK UP ffs .

I also noted its always those who are ALRGHT JACK moaning about the fact Leave won . With your immigrant gardeners and cleaners dirt cheap yea ? Unlike those in the working class areas who saw that make their wages drop and drop until in the end why work for peanuts for the rich ?

You cannot stand it can you ? GOOD ,

And ps I voted REMAIN

Fuck Off as well you with the initials KKK there . Twat