To think this could mean the end of brexit?

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Now MPs will be able to block it. Could this be the end of this ridiculous brexit? MPs can not vote for something that they think will not be in peoples interest and its very clear the people that voted to brexit would be the ones worse off.

JO'B is doing a fab job on LBC today and most brexiters seem to be happy that it might not go ahead as they were fooled by lies!

Obvious innit? All those Scots and Irish are forriners.

real yeah, real Brits vs forriners! You sound a lovely person, just confirming stereotypes, aren't you?

of parents born elsewhere tells you all you need to know..

How far do you want to go back? Modern humans evolved in Africa and migrated all over the world...

We're all African really

According to the ONS some 5.3m UK residents were non British nationals in 2014 of which 2.9m were EU nationals. There were 3.3m British nationals who had a country of birth outside the UK.

So your claim about the place of birth of remainers or their parents for that matter doesn't hold water just like the promise of squillions for the NHS.

real
You wrote "This is a year of the people's votes mattering instead of the establishment taking their usual route. To top it all off I hope DT wins in the US of A. People power. "
That's how Taliban came into the power too isn't it? You ok with that? Does something sound off there to you?
(I can nearly imagine your response: so long as they stay in their country and don't bomb us using the weapons we so helpfully made for them and made them pay for it).

Strikethrough fail

It's just about forriners. Absolutely nothing else. A lot of this was hidden until the Tory conference.May and co mainstreamed this. Also, there is a strong chanc that the genuine non racist Leavers are the ones staying silent now or regretting their vote after the result. I am assuming this because this class of Leavers would hopefully be far less biased than the outright "keep the rabid foreigner out" one.

[[http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/democracy democracy
noun UK /dɪˈmɒk.rə.si/ US /-ˈmɑː.krə-/]]

B2 [ U ] the belief in freedom and equality between people, or a system of government based on this belief, in which power is either held by elected representatives or directly by the people themselves

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An act of parliament was passed to ask the people directly to decide the issue of EU membership. For the Legislature and/or Judiciary to decide, legally or not, to overturn this decision will be a crisis for our democracy.

in which power is either held by elected representatives or directly by the people themselves

In the UK the former is the case, not the latter.

Suppermummy
An act of parliament was passed to ask the people directly to decide the issue of EU membership

No this is not the case. An Act of Parliament was passed to ask the people to give their opinion on the issue of EU membership. Parliament did not include wording in the Act to make it legally binding so the referendum was only ever advisory. You can argue that the Legislature is morally obliged to follow the result of the referendum but they have no legal obligation to do so.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude

Yes that does seem to be the case. However this was not understood or espoused by either side of the debate pre-vote. In fact we were told the opposite by both sides, that the result of the referendum would be acted on. So the public have been lied to by the whole establishment and the spirit of the act of parliament has been subverted, we have been conned by the small print hidden in the terms and conditions. Democracy has been abused.

It was stated in Parliament that it was only advisory when the Act was going through.

"It was stated in Parliament that it was only advisory when the Act was going through"

Yip as I said, "we have been conned by the small print hidden in the terms and conditions"

Well know you've been conned by the conservative government who wrote a deliberately misleading leaflet arrogantly thinking that it wouldn't be found to be misleading because people would vote for remain.

Blame the Tories directly, not 'the establishment'.

How is a fundamental element of our Constitution "small print"? We have a representative democracy not a direct one. Consequently referenda are only binding if Parliament expressly states it will be bound in the Act setting up that referendum.
Yes, the campaign was woeful on both sides but we also have a duty as voters to make an effort to understand how the process of government works.

" the public have been lied to by the whole establishment and the spirit of the act of parliament has been subverted"

This was well publicised in the Guardian, the FT, numerous websites and social media accounts. People chose to ignore it, or weren't paying attention!

supermummy a definition on democracy is not enough. This is not a direct democracy but a parliamentary, representative democracy. Direct democracy is one form of government that can be clearly distinguished from parliamentarism. ... In contrast, parliamentary democracy is a representative democracy. Citizens vote for professional politicians to represent them in parliament, rather than directly ruling themselves

The potential fallout and lies by Leave were pointed out many times and laughed at as "Project Fear", remember?

The Parliamentary briefing document couldn't have been clearer in spelling out that an advisory referendum was proposed. Surely anyone in politics who was interested in there being a referendum would have read that, and followed the Bill as it went through its readings and committee stages?

I've followed every stage of the Bill through Hansard and I didn't find anyone objecting to the proposed referendum being only advisory. Nor do I remember anyone in the Leave campaign (or from UKIP) making a fuss about it at the time. They all must have known though. If I knew it was advisory (when I genuinely hate politics) then surely Farage, Gove, Davis and the rest of them knew.

Hand up who read 'The Parliamentary briefing document', hands up who even knew it existed?

Me.

I discovered their existence a few years back when I was dragging an ex-client through Small Claims.

I wouldn't expect most people to know they exist but I'd certainly expect every politician to know. I'm not sure what their purpose is to be honest though. My assumption is that they're produced as a sort of 'executive summary' for MPs (and Lords) to spell out the important issues in a Bill to them. Maybe they're produced for the general public, or for journalists though.

Me, but more importantly your MP, all those who led the leave campaign etc.

I always knew that everything said in parliament is recorded and kept, I didn't know it was accessible online until recently though.

I haven't read this one but I know they exist.

I didn't need to read it to know the referendum was advisory though. I'm reasonably educated in law having done an LLB.

I do think you have a point supermummy about the misleading statement in the Govt leaflet that went to every home and whilst I agree that people should take more responsibility for educating themselves on important matters I don't think you can blame people too much for taking the Government's leaflet at face value.

It is also true that many of the things being complained about now were pointed out by remain and called 'project fear'.

All I can say is the people who fell for it maybe should think a bit about how they get their information and what they believe and why in the future.