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No I am not saying that I am pointing out its taken a ruling from law to come to this - and this may be repealed.

When it comes to Law - the EU court is apparently when one is part of the EU a higher court than our own.

This is another reason why its so vital to leave.

theunhivedmind.com/wordpress4/european-rights-judge-in-bribery-case-sparks-fury-for-using-his-position-to-stop-investigation-into-wife/

As an ECHR judge, he is also protected. However, experts say immunity is not given to judges for their own benefit or to hamper justice.

The case has raised fresh fears over the quality of ECHR judges.

Stephen Booth, of the Open Europe think-tank, said: ‘This is a damning indictment on the standard of some judges at the court, which has the power to overrule the UK.’

‘The sooner that the UK introduces proper safeguards against rulings from judges in Strasbourg the better.’

The businessman accused of paying the alleged bribes said he gave them ‘out of friendship’, Romania Libera newspaper has reported. The gifts are said to include access to an apartment in Paris for her son.

‘They allegedly received on several occasions presents from a lawyer and a businessman to intercede in favour of the latter,’ prosecutors said in a statement.

Corruption is a major concern in Romania and Bulgaria, which both joined the EU in 2007.

You didn't. You know it.
You said in effect parliamentary sovereignty derives from parliament.

You simply defined parliament you didn't say where parliament derives its authority from

Cxc78
Fine, if you're staying you can get the drinks in.

Ok Winchester, what's the answer you want?

It does stagger me when we have a hard enough time of it to try and keep tabs on our own leaders and mps people want to add another layer to it - keep another layer to it in a place much harder to follow and keep tabs on then say we should all argue for transparency!!!

How!! Unless your moving in those circles, socialising with these people, in with them you cant. which is why we need to cut them all loose and get rid.

I think parliament derives its authority from the people it represents. This is the only authority it has. The people have represented their wishes themselves here. They do not need the conduit of parliamentary representation of their wishes.

I just want you to say where you think parliament gets its authority from that was my question. So then I repeated what my opinion is. It was your opinion I'm requesting because to say parliament gets its authority from parliament is I don't know. Tautology?

Cut loose get rid

Does it for me

When parliament voted in favour of a referendum it was made explicit that it would be advisory and non-binding. And so it was. MPs are elected to represent the best interests of ALL their constituents, not any sub group.

Well look I'm not going to harangue you I don't like being harangued myself. I'll just point out a bit pompously that you know I'm right about where parliament gets its authority from but it's tough for you to say so. I get that.

"They do not need the conduit of parliamentary representation of their wishes."

Well, yes they really do.

Really Kaija?

People thought it was a gage of ideas rather than an actual thing to take us out?

what a load of rubbish.

The problem is - absolutely everything is up for debate and we dont want to get bogged down with ENDLESS legal battles over it all

Maybe use that old act of treason tripe that is doing the rounds?
Show our prospective new partners the respect we have for our international commitments. Brilliant idea!

Loving some of the answers on this thread - re this is nothing to do with stopping BREXIT when the thread under this one says " is this the end of brexit"!!

Winchester I already said it. Parliament is not there to act out "the wishes" of the people. "The people" are not some homogenous mass all wishing the same thing. That is why we elect representatives to debate and serve the best interests of all the people.

It's all to do with stopping Brexit. The traitors. Do they think we're that stupid?

Autumn, before we had the referendum, parliament voted to have it, on the basis that it was advisory and non-binding.

The German referendums of the 30s, were they 'representing the wishes' of the German people or the will of the National Socialists?

They were very popular, particularly the 1933 referendum to leave the League of Nations.

Traitors?

Thankyou for your opinion that parliament does not derive its authority from the people. Revealing.

Gloria I was so pleased to see your racist comment was deleted. Yes: the main problem with calling Hitler a tyrant is the fact he was elected.

This has nothing to do with the source of parliamentary authority. Which according to kaija is the moral compass of its members.

Winchester I'm afraid your posts are becoming so saturated with snark that I can't actually make sense of them any more.

Apparently you are so unintelligent that even now you have failed to grasp that it was a paraphrase of some deeply repellent racist posts on here.

Your mate's particularly obnoxious long racist rant was deleted pdq.

WW - you can believe what you want and justyify it any way you want but you are wrong. I dislike many aspects of the UK system of government but it is what it is.

We have a representative parliamentary democracy. We elect individuals who express their own views they do not slavishly follow the views of their constituents. MPs do not do what their constituents tell them to do. That is the UK system of government. The system that is sovereign. The system that needs to be 'freed' from the EU.

In the UK the 'people' are represented by MPs.

The law is a vital - independent- part of our long established system.

I'm getting the picture that you don't believe our representatives should be making any judgments about how to govern, so I'm wondering what you think the alternative is. Would you like to see a series of polls conducted on every issue, and the government to act on the majority outcome in every case?