'The Brexit Arms' is now open. Friendly cosy pub with log fire for leavers & remainers to chat & ponder life, the universe, & Brexit.

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You are all most welcome

Anyway.......I've put up some gay fencing in the pub garden to cheer us all up.

jaw I'm not surprised by the reaction. I fully expected it. May set it up in her conference speech.

I was more surprised at the voices of reason there were too.

it's the general ignorance that scares me...
DM today is appalling, I have no words. very frightening. Apparently being gay has stopped being ok too..

Apparently being gay has stopped being ok too.

Is that wrt on of the judges being 'an openly gay former athlete therefore thoroughly untrustworthy & dubious' thing?

I must admit, I was when I saw that being made a 'thing' of.
He's a judge.
That's it.
Nothing further to report.

I do think the pissed off/outraged reaction is driven by the underlying suspicion that this action was brought about solely to undermine & hinder Brexit.

The ruling is fine as far as I'm concerned - parliament is sovereign - great - as it should be.

BUT a great many people are viewing it not as an opportunity not just to ensure correct process & procedure is applied, but to subvert the referendum result.

That's why I'd have liked to see an immediate tabled debate and vote:

"Honour result of referendum & trigger article 50"
Yes/No

Appealing the decision is leaving a bad taste in my mouth precisely because of the future repercussions of parliament not being sovereign.
Our democracy is bigger than one person & that's the way it should be.

Rbeer, I think the opposite!

I think if the referendum was rerun the results would swing to a higher Leave vote than before.

yes, an openly gay former olympic fencer among other gems...

Outrage as Great Ormond Street hospital worker stuns BBC Question Time viewers by wishing illness on Brexiteers' children And this, also from the DM. Not true, she was asking how they'd feel if their child was ill and specialist staff no longer available, as a high percentage of experts are EU and non-EU doctors who depend on grants and exchange programs BY the EU!

Thanks for starting this thread surfer , like what you've done with the place.

Interesting reactions to the ruling. My gut feeling is that it is a good thing, but then I am a trusting sort of person. I think in reality we won't know whether it is a demonstration of our country's wonderful democracy in action, or a trojan horse to undermine the referendum vote until we see how MPs act now.

Daily Mail lost the plot ( again) with this one. And all bar a few of the readers will say so what to the biographical detail of being gay. My aged mum gets the DM for the quizzes and tv page and mocks a lot of the "news".

I was impressed with the Olympian bit too. Go sporty judge!

But I think their approach to saving the EU is different to the one you envisage

well yes, thus far the problems in the EU are solved by making MORE EU.

Red, you don't need to tell me whether I am correct or not because you have no authority to say We are all in un chartered waters and its very important to remember this and not write events that could happen as fait accomplis. Not one of us know what will happen or indeed what would have happened had we stayed in the EU which most leavers believe is failing.
No one is an expert in this - no one.

What we do know is - Merkel and Hollande seem to be putting a political ideology ahead of their duties to their citizens and its causing a shit storm, the question is - how much more will their peoples take?

is driven by the underlying suspicion that this action was brought about solely to undermine & hinder Brexit

Of course and of course its being seized on by ardent remainers as a straw to cling too.
However I also firmly believe Parliament will vote to leave, and the ground swell for leave will increase, as people are angry by this decision rightly or wrongly.

RTB The points you made in your post earlier about how we should engage more with the processes of the EU for me actually illustrates why our membership of the EU is never going to work in a truly democratic fashion. It is difficult enough to have time to engage with national politics for many people (lots of other barriers than time of course). There is just no way we can also genuinely engage politically at an EU level, the scale is just too huge. Take the example of TIPP. This was going on for months before it started to filter down to the average man or woman on the street. Even weeks before the election, people I thought of as generally well read and in touch with the world had never heard of it. If it hadn't been for the referendum, would it ever have reached most people's attention? I don't think so, so there would have been a huge step taken which would effect our lives massively with most people having no knowledge or input. It's just too big for any real semblance of functioing democracy.

WT that is a fair point, but I would rather people actually used that argument rather than said that the EU isn't transparent when it is far more transparent than we give credit for. Its misrepresentative.

In terms of what is happening in the UK we need to do a LOT to stamp it out here, otherwise we are not going to tackle those same issues if those powers and bodies are transferred back to the UK control either though.

Which defeats the point of transferring power back here at great expense too.

I think the point here, is we need to be properly aware of what the root of problems are so we can tackle them.

I do believe that our economic difficulties are largely as a result of not doing this, rather than there being not enough money in the pot.

It's remainers who w anti democratic no question

Jaw : My reaction at the time to The Question Time woman was that she crossed a line tbh. She appears to have apologised.

"What we do know is - Merkel and Hollande seem to be putting a political ideology ahead of their duties to their citizens and its causing a shit storm, the question is - how much more will their peoples take?"

Replace "Merkel and Hollande" with "May" in that sentence and I couldn't agree more.

WW It's remainers who are anti democratic no question

Why?

Not that I think it particularly matters what she said but the Great Ormond Street worker's words were:

Nicola Gorb, 47,told Thursday’s BBC Question Time debate:“I want people who are leaving to one day unfortunately have a child who needs that treatment but it’s not there because collaboration’s not been there.”

From the Huffington Post and there is a clip. I don't expect that's what she meant to say, but just for accuracy those were her words.

What she actually said was awful, but I agree it probably just came out wrong and what she meant to say was how jaws paraphrased it.

A shame for the poor woman really, coz she's been vilified for cocking up her wording.

Happens ALL THE TIME on mn though...!

Why thank you Mango, mine's a cranberry juice please, no ice – can never understand why people want to be put cold stuff into a warm body. Yes, this thread is a bit better than most. Haven't been able to fall out with anyone in real life.

Still can't understand what all the fuss is about. The judges' decision was Parliament should decide the issue at hand. Indeed they made it quite clear they were making no comment on the issue itself only the mechanism being used. Shame I'm not a betting person, I'd have done well out of the last election and the referendum – quite sure we're coming out.

Hi Petronius16
Glad to see you back.
All welcome are welcome here. despite me banning everyone except me It's our little Brexit sanctuary where we just chill & bond. ( & argue politely )

Gordon Bennet surfer, you made me blush. I'm enjoying the right wing press thread as well.

Lol at banning everyone except yourself Surfer

You'd be a shit rl publican!!