'The Brexit Arms' is now open. Friendly cosy pub with log fire for leavers & remainers to chat & ponder life, the universe, & Brexit.

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You are all most welcome

Read what I've just said Bear, it's all about blocking Brexit not debating it.

I can so understand how wars start right now.

a public mandate renders a parliamentary vote unnecessary

The vote asked if should we remain in or leave the EU, it did not cover the terms and conditions of us leaving, which now needs to be debated and decided.

What are you so scared of?

What happened today that was fatcat/elitist/me me me?

We Took Back Control and enshrined the noble principle that our Parliament is Sovereign. That The People's democratically elected representatives should scrutinise such momentous events of national importance. That opaque secrecy in the decision-making process, in which foreign-owned companies are more privy to strategy than The People, is not correct.

Wasn't that the entire point of this referendum?

Read what I've just said Bear, it's all about blocking Brexit not debating it.

In your opinion surfer but, given there is no consensus of opinion on how we actually sever ties with the EU, why would you want to ignore the sovereign parliament?

Why don't you want the terms of our leaving discussed and debated?

Bear, go & gloat on one of the numourous gloating threads that have probably been started. Tonight I'm drowning my sorrows with my leaver friends.

bearbehind they're probably scared if their unicorns unravelling under scrutiny.

Personally, I'm relieved. Today's judgement may not stop Brexit altogether, but at least soften it, and get the least worst version for us out of it and it's scuppered the mad dangerous power grab the executive has been attempting.

That's more than a little pathetic though surfer If the reason you are drowning your sorrows is because you can't stop the immigrants you don't like coming to the Uk without a bit if debate.

That doesn't matter. Everyone knew it didn't cover the terms. It's not like we were surprised with that on June 24.

Surf we marvellous. Hold tight. Do you hear the people sing?

I'm not scared of anything, specially not some poster who fancies me rotten.

In the UK Parliament is sovereign.
Our sovereign Parliament wants to debate a major constitional change.
A UK court has said Parliament should debate this issue.
In the UK referenda are advisory because the UK Parliament is sovereign.

The UK Parliament is debating and deciding on an important issue.

The UK is in control. I am confused as to why this is an issue.

Element, we had a public vote. MPs represent people and we don't need then this time: we represented ourselves.

It's not just surf's opinion, it's quite true. I've heard a lot of coverage today. It's about blocking, not enabling. I don't know if you think you're fooling anyone with this innocent act or maybe you think you're being really clever?

Bear you need to stop pretending surfer is a racist. Although I suppose your posts do indicate a rich fantasy life of which this is just a tiny part.

we had a public vote We had an advisory referendum. That is clear in UK law, if you think it was something else you are, quite simply, wrong.

MPs represent people and we don't need then this time: we represented ourselves

This makes no sense. We elect individuals, we delegate responsibility to them. If an MP changes party they continue to be an MP because we elect individuals. MPs are not expected to do everything in line with the majority of their constituents wishes. This is the essence of UK parliamentary democracy - the system Brexiters support so forcefully.

Calme calme dear surf. All will be well. Not long before trebles all round. In the mean time may I cheer you up with FUCK JEAN CLAUDE JUNCKER the pickled, venal, power crazy narcissistic Machiavelli. Anybody who wants him as their leader, which I think is quite a few people here, must have a screw loose.

MPs represent people and we don't need then this time: we represented ourselves.

Because we voted on June 23 that's the end of the whole affair?

Who is going to do the thinking, the negotiation, the planning, the legalities of actually carrying out Brexit? And who is going to check that the thinking, negotiation, planning and legalities are being done correctly, if not our representatives?

Unless... perhaps you mean that we The People should once again dispense with our unnecessary representatives, and carry out the checks ourselves... perhaps by putting it to a vote ?

We had a public vote. People voted out and out they should have. You're so struggling with the fact still that people disagree with you

No not the end: we have to trigger article 50, negotiate, and leave. Then it will be the end.

This pub is lovely and inclusive in a sense, in that it is for leavers and remainers alike, is friendly and cozy and has a log fire. Lots to like.

But I'd much prefer it to be a pub for leavers and remainers, UK citizens and immigrants to the UK alike, with everyone equally entitled to enjoy the friendly cozy atmosphere and to sit by the log fire. Might it be a good idea to amend the title Surfer (as I hope that is what you meant)? That would deal very effectively with accusations of xenophobia and would probably make remainers, and doubtless also some leave voters, feel a lot more comfortable. No one likes an apartheid!

It makes perfect sense: this is why you don't like it.

cheers WinchesterWoman, you make me

We had a public vote The X factor has a public vote. We had an advisory referendum. In the UK Parliament is sovereign. This is not a matter or opinion it is a matter of law.

Sadly the friendly cozy atmosphere is only here when 90 per cent of the remainers aren't. Can you give them lessons in how to be friendly and cosy? They are immune to our imprecations.

I'm not scared of anything, specially not some poster who fancies me rotten.

winchester please point your shitty goady stick elsewhere.