Pro-Leavers - please help

[CeciledeVolanges]

Good morning.
I am following a lot of conversations and events about the referendum and there are a lot of assertions about "what the referendum was about" and "why people voted" and "what people want."
I just wanted to ask, neutrally, if you believe that we should leave the EU what good things do you want to happen or believe will happen when we do?
I can't account for anyone else, but I have seen some really nasty referendum threads and I often get upset about it myself, so I want to say I will not attack or even argue with anyone, I'm just interested to hear the wishes and opinions of people who want positively to leave. It is such an emotive issue - not least to me - and maybe there are some views we haven't heard yet.
Thanks if you do answer! And thanks for reading.

smallfox I appreciate your views too, but my aim was to get people off the defensive and out of the echo chambers, as I hope I explained in the OP. Please don't extent the fighting here as well. We can't keep shouting at cross purposes.

And I'm sorry for that, thickandthin. I appreciate your initial willingness to engage.

smallfox Cecile asked for people's reasons, not whether they still thought they were still valid. It would be good to keep copies of this thread and see which of their expectations come to pass.

proves my point, not up for debate just confirmation bias. smallfox, no one came here to debate. In fact, I think he op made it clear that was not the intention of the thread.

NO my attitude is that the risks of leaving the EU far outwieghed the potential benefits.

Further to this such a small majority in the vote certainly not does give mandate for the hard brexit approach being signeled now, and also does not give mandate for Brexit not to be debated in parliament, or the changes to legislation.

I certainly don't agree with many of the main reasons put here as justification for leaving, in fact so many of them are spurious and the product of years of anti EU rubbish printed in tabloid papers, or of people's own prejudices.

But we can all see where improvements can be made.

Oh and btw, we ended up in this situation after 41 years of the leave voters complaining and campaigning for it, I don't see why the remain camp should have to shut up now.

smallfox I don't agree with everything that has been written here either, but that doesn't mean they aren't valid points of view, which I would quite like to hear as I expressed in the OP. Please can we not have another argument. There are plenty of threads already doing that.

So this thread is sacrosanct for leavers, but on the "if this is not what you voted for thread" its ok to come and not post points but just insult "remoaners", by some of the same posters who are complaining here! Thats not tedious?

Oh and as long as people keep repeating statements that aren't true, poorly thought out, I'll keep pointing it out. Its a thread about reasons for leaving, and yes I do think and can justify with peer reviewed research why many of the points are spurious.

You leavers got to argue your points for 41 years and now we have to leave you alone?

Hypocrites.

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To be fair though, tiggytape, it has been quite difficult to get Leavers to say exactly what they do want. I would say there have only been a handful of posters myself. That's why it would be good to revisit this thread in say, 5 years time.

Maybe they just want to be independent of the EU.

Oh - and the title pro-leavers please help is a bit of a clue as to whether people like smallpox are welcome with their relentless negativity

Well isn't the thread about being not what you voted for a clue.

Plenty of leavers there complaining.

Its also a good laugh to see you lot standing round repeating things that have been utterly disproved in the past, but repeating them over and over again.

Same could b said for both sides smallfox

Personally I think it's shocking that so many remainers are behaving like this. I had no idea it was in so many people to be so incapable of living and letting live. We all have different opinions, can't we just accept that?

What have you disproved that the remain camp said?

The £4,300 a year worse off has almost already come to pass and we haven't even left yet.

This thread isn't about 'not what you voted for' - that's another thread. This is leavers - please help.

Well isn't the thread about being not what you voted for a clue

Hang on, too many double negatives here. I'm not even sure what that line means.

"Isn't this thread about being NOT what you voted for a clue" doesn't make sense to me!

Oh yes! Forgot that. Lol.

The point was the thread that is about "this is not what you voted for" is full of leavers making remarks or whatever, no reason why this one should be sacrosanct.

I've no problem with immigrants of any nation colour or creed, though it might be an idea to control it so that we can plan how many hospitals/schools/doctors/houses we need. It totally wasn't about immigration for me.

It was always about the people on this island being able to control what happens to the people on this island.
I'm from the UK, I'm English, I want to stay this way. I've been worried all my life about being part of a 'united states of Europe'.

this I belive in the freedom to work not the freedom to move at will I think you should have
Health insurance
A solid job offer
And housing in place paid for by your employer or yourself

The political class are all chimps so at least lets be ruled by our own chimps al least we can't vote them out

Smallfox, ever hard of a self-fulfilling prophecy? If people didn't fear and lose their heads the financial market wouldn't have the same problems it does when people begin to respond in panic.

The problem is (for remainers) that many of the things cited as reasons for voting leave are factually incorrect. To me (and I guess to many others) its I don't wash my hands after changing a nappy because germs like water. Its factually incorrect and acting on it is dangerous