Pro-Leavers - please help

[CeciledeVolanges]

Good morning.
I am following a lot of conversations and events about the referendum and there are a lot of assertions about "what the referendum was about" and "why people voted" and "what people want."
I just wanted to ask, neutrally, if you believe that we should leave the EU what good things do you want to happen or believe will happen when we do?
I can't account for anyone else, but I have seen some really nasty referendum threads and I often get upset about it myself, so I want to say I will not attack or even argue with anyone, I'm just interested to hear the wishes and opinions of people who want positively to leave. It is such an emotive issue - not least to me - and maybe there are some views we haven't heard yet.
Thanks if you do answer! And thanks for reading.

fullfact.org/europe/britain-sending-30m-child-benefit-eu-families/

At the highest estimate its about £30 m a year, but across the EU, not just Eastern Europe. In work benefits are paid to Brits working in other EU countries too.

So over all in fiscal terms a relatively tiny amount. Probably far smaller that £30m because not all of the claimants get the full amount paid in the UK.

I love the one where kids from EU citizens are simultaneously taking places at local schools and living in a different country where the child benefit gets sent to

An underage version of Schrodingers immigrant

Its just the post that keeps giving element

Schrodingers immigrant

It isn't specifically in that post but there's also the one where they all get given a council house on arrival and share a room with 25 other "insert nationality" at the same time

See the only reason you want leavers to explain why they voted leave is so you can all pile in & take the piss.
& you're supposed to be the intelligent ones?

Pathetic.

Time I hid this entire board.

surfer

Nope, as i said i was quite happy with what trying was saying right up until that last sentence

Also never said i was intelligent...no degree here

I didn't say I was intelligent either, just pointing out the obvious... You keep saying you are not coming back surfer but you can't quite manage it. Try acupuncture.

she's right.

& she's right about the anti British tone amongst remainers - or certainly anti English.

surfer

I am a remainer, so you agree with trying that that i am not British

Or is it just the other remainers on here are not British

Because as i just said i think what she was saying earlier in her post was fair enough

But that sentence was paranoid rubbish

She's not right at all in anything she says. Its just prejudice.

See we do want people to give us their views, but really someone like trying really does you no favours.

Oh and do let me know what i have said that makes me anti english or anti british

Or is that the other remainers as well

Stop playing the patriotic competition card.

Remainers are just as loyal and British as anyone.

You sound like the Daily Express - a dumb newspaper for the truly unintelligent.

What winky

I certainly win that competition

I have a union jack pillow and everything

Surfer and trying have misunderstood nationalism for patriotism.

But please do tell me again, when I was born in fucking Hartlepool that I don't know what I'm talking about because I'm not British or don't know about areas that have been abandoned.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer I like you, you're one of the few remainers I bother replying to, but I've seriously had enough of the piss taking on here - I lasted a lot longer than most but time I quit & got back to enjoying the rest of mumsnet.

Nice chatting with you

Then don't say things that are worthy of taking the piss out of then.

Simples

surferjet

Alright lovely...that too is fair enough

I voted leave even though I am Italian (with a british passport). We are one of the biggest economies in the world and I think we can do a lot better on our own economically. The standard of living hasn't risen for decades in most of the EU countries and especially in Germany. They are too busy bailing everyone else out.

Oh dear... Are you taking your ball with you?

Living standards have increased massively across Europe since the 1980's

In Germany in particular, especially for huge swathes of the population this is true. Its true of the UK too.

What hasn't happened in the last 8 years is that it hasn't kept going up, but last year we returned to pre crisis standards.

Brexit and the inflationary pressure of the falling pound are going to lead to falling living standards here.

Surfer I started this thread, anyone who wants to can say what they like but I would really like you to find a statement by me that backs up why you just said I wanted Leavers to say what they want (and before you make blanket statements about Remainers). The one thing I don't think everyone is entitled to their view on is what other people's views are. I know what I wanted to ask and if I expressed it badly in the OP that's my fault.

See this is the thing. Other threads on MN, if a poster makes a patently self-contradictory (let alone a factually incorrect, bigoted or evidence-less) statement about a serious topic, you can pretty much guarantee others will pull her up on it and pick it apart often with barely-contained rage. One could argue that this form of robust discussion is the primary purpose of Internet talk boards like MN. I mean, have any of you seen the laundry threads?!

It's only on EU Ref threads that there's this hyper-awareness of what would otherwise be considered within the bounds of normal debate. Amongst the objections I have noted over recent months are "intelligence", "educated", "superior", "shrieking", "well-researched facts", "sarcasm", "over-invested" "laughing" and of course the killer argument "unpatriotic".

elements see also, 'metropolitan' (I live in the countryside), 'elite' (what does that even mean?), 'sneering' (no, just trying to disagree with the lies), 'bad loser' (you just try and stop me on this one!).