Pro-Leavers - please help

[CeciledeVolanges]

Good morning.
I am following a lot of conversations and events about the referendum and there are a lot of assertions about "what the referendum was about" and "why people voted" and "what people want."
I just wanted to ask, neutrally, if you believe that we should leave the EU what good things do you want to happen or believe will happen when we do?
I can't account for anyone else, but I have seen some really nasty referendum threads and I often get upset about it myself, so I want to say I will not attack or even argue with anyone, I'm just interested to hear the wishes and opinions of people who want positively to leave. It is such an emotive issue - not least to me - and maybe there are some views we haven't heard yet.
Thanks if you do answer! And thanks for reading.

So read the side of the brexit bus, it says nothing about using all that money for one glorious spending spree on the NHS. Nobody though it would ALL go on the NHS, but some of it can.

Thanks jaws. I will see if I can find it on Amazon with at this rate...

User.. then give an opinion that's valid? Not totalitarian states and votes for the people.

Oh and the democracy argument. You know its utterly facile to quote democracy when the government in choosing to go ahead with brexit in the manner it is? To be able to change legislation without Parliamentary approval?

Your side had 41 years of debating this issue, following a referendum vote against you, yet people challenging you is anti democratic.

I think that actually many of the leave side are using the referendum in the manner that dictators have in the past, hiding under the cloak of one off democracy but subjugating any real democratic process.

Small, I will try not to take offence at your last word

So the EU is totalitarian?

Totalitarian: relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.

Well that's not quite an accurate description of the EU is it.

Wendy: Less than a third of that money could possibly be spent on the NHS, but the bus certainly implied that all of it would be. Arguing semantics now is as disingenuous as the claim.

The EU Citizen was created only in 1992. The stuff prior to that wasnt as far reaching.

It be consigned to the history books as a short term social experiment almost.

As we were now.

User.. then give an opinion that's valid

My opinion is perfectly valid and I'm afraid that if you don't like that fact you will have to feck off.

Well that's not quite an accurate description of the EU is it

Well it's not exactly a million miles wide of the mark.

Your comprehension skills need some work. I said I can see the EU becoming (a totalitarian state in the future* and didn't want to be a part of that, so I voted to leave.

No, sorry not all opinions are valid.

Your points about the EU being a totalitarian superstate are really not justifiable.

Your ignorance is not equal to my knowledge.

Bold fail there.

Oh so YOU can see the future, and despite all of the democratic processes at work within the EU, you see it becoming a totalitarian superstate. Despite the fact that all member states are very keen on autonomous control of lots of factors?

Yet when economists and others give their expert view on what will happen in the near future you and your ilk disparage them?

Hypocritical if you ask me.

Oh so YOU can see the future, and despite all of the democratic processes at work within the EU, you see it becoming a totalitarian superstate

Yes, how many more times do you want me to repeat that?

Just enough for it to stop being fucking hilarious that this is your justification.

I've voted, we've left. Suck it up buttercup.

It's fascinating to see all attempts at open discussion thwarted by the same posters over and over again. It's almost as though they have an agenda to re-frame the entire EU vote to match the worst prejudices of the tabloid press. Very odd.

We haven't left, this is a democracy. Your side spent 40 years complaining and blaming the EU for things, I dont have to suck anything up. It is a democracy after all, isn't that what you voted to defend?

Winnie, do you think was about open discussion, really? Or merely an echo chamber? If its about open discussion then challenging people's reasons is perfectly valid.

We haven't left, this is a democracy. Your side spent 40 years complaining and blaming the EU for things, I dont have to suck anything up. It is a democracy after all, isn't that what you voted to defend

Any chance we could have that again in English please? Thanks.

Your ignorance is not equal to my knowledge
You know small, you sound like you really hate people being able to have opinions.... You almost sounds like you work in Brussels..?????

I think there are two separate questions here. First is the reason why people voted leave, second is what should be the response on social media to posts which are objectively wrong.

I'm fine with people having opinions, but it is true that all opinions are not equal.

Actually, we haven't left yet.

The people I feel slightly sorry for, who voted leave are my friend who lives in a deprived area propped up by EU funding. She has been told that her library will close, as it's been EU money that has been keeping it going. And no, HMG won't be carrying on the funding, as she thought, or was led to believe. My cousin's husband, who is losing his job imminently as his company is relocating to Germany, as all of their business is with the EU.

I don't feel sorry for the overpaid EU employees, whose gravy train is coming to a halt, and who have been told that they can't apply for Belgian nationality, as they don't pay tax in Belgium. Welcome back to the real world...

Can we at least all agree that small fox gets the final say on what's valid or not!!! Is this post valid... Can it even be read without smalls approval!?!?

I'm fine with people having opinions, but it is true that all opinions are not equal

When it comes to making a physical actual vote, all opinions are equal.

You come across as a bit of a fascist to be honest.

Totalitarian = authoritarian state with absolute power. The individual is subjugated to the state, and the state controls public and private life by force - usually including state control of economy, media, populace by force using methods such as propaganda, surveillance, imprisonment, torture, mass murder etc.

Generally involve a strong ideology, and a personality cult around the central dictator; some, like Nazism characterised as a political religion.

See wendy, attacking me repeatedly but not engaging with the argument shows the paucity of your own points.

Really, I don't get to approve whose are valid, but lets be honest the "totalitarian superstate" and £350 million ones aren't actually good reasons to vote leave are they?