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'leavers' At last we have a date for A50. March 2017 it is then.

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surferjet · 02/10/2016 18:00

Good to have a set date.

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surferjet · 07/10/2016 07:31

smallfox
It's people like you who are the number one reason UKIP did so well & Farage became god.
You sit here on the internet posting a load of bollocks about 'unreal concerns' when you know fuck all, ( oh, & btw, Gordon Brown brushed off immigration concerns 10 years ago - to his detriment, so apart from anything else you're so last year )
If you want to become the lefts answer to Nigel Farage, get off your arse and actually form a political movement to get the UK back in the EU. You should have us happily back within a few short years, because you know what's really going on out there, you know how everyone really feels & what's best for them, you know their concerns are just made up by the daily mail. So go on, off you go.
Or maybe you'll just carry on sitting on your arse posting shite.

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smallfox2002 · 07/10/2016 07:31

Again, you don't have to accept opinions. The immigration ones are all based on ignorance, prejudice or the minutae of personal anecdotal experience. Not facts.

I'll accept.opinions when they are valid. Your ignorance is not qualify to my knowledge

smallfox2002 · 07/10/2016 07:35

How do you know I'm not politically active? I am.

Talk of posting suite from surfer? How funny seeing as you haven't been able to articulate an argument for your vacuous opinions for.months.

Come on, at least be an intellectual challenge.

Me2017 · 07/10/2016 07:35

Ordinary people are not too hard to manipulate which is one reason we have Government rather than every decision voted by a referendum and why Cameron's decision to have the EU vote was a mistake.

However it is very important people listen to the views of others. It is easy to go into an isolated silo and only hear the views of people like yourself. We all benefit from hearing other people's points of views. There is indeed nothing to stop a political party having a rejoin the EU policy as its key plank and standing in the general election for that. I doubt any main party will do that although it will be tempting to many Tories and Labour supporters.

Anyone following the details of Brexit might like this article www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=3c5a2499-0fcf-4546-8f44-efeb8beb80c3&utm_source=Lexology+Daily+Newsfeed&utm_medium=HTML+email+-+Body+-+General+section&utm_campaign=CLA+subscriber+daily+feed&utm_content=Lexology+Daily+Newsfeed+2016-10-07&utm_term= which I saw today and is quite a good summary in a few areas of interset to many.

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surferjet · 07/10/2016 07:40

I'm sure you're capable of shoving a few leaflets through doors, but that's not really what I meant.
& no, I'm not going to waste my time on you, you're a joke on these boards so really not worth my effort.

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smallfox2002 · 07/10/2016 07:43

I'm a joke? Surfer, surfer, people have been asking you for reasons for your views for months and laughing at your refusal, remember:" not my circus not my monkeys" you even had a thread dedicated to your ignorance.

You won't engage because you can't. Pathetic, go back to seeking others to confirm your bias and stamping your foot that this is a thread for leavers when you get challenged. Pathetic.

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surferjet · 07/10/2016 07:46

Eh, it wasn't actually me who said that.
First rule of politics, get your facts right.

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smallfox2002 · 07/10/2016 07:51

You did, there was a whole thread about it where you were directly quoted.

Secondly you never get any facts right.

WrongTrouser · 07/10/2016 07:52

The thing is Small anything a leaver says on these threads you are going to dismiss as a wrong opinion. Yesterday you were even saying people's concerns were incorrect. A concern is a worry. It makes no sense to say someone's worry or opinion is wrong. It is like saying someone's values are wrong or their moods. It is not for you to say.

What I find odd is that these threads are for discussion, aren't they? For exchange of views and opinions. But if you cannot even except that other people have the right to their views and opinions then it's not really a conversation is it?

smallfox2002 · 07/10/2016 07:52

Either way, even if you didn't say it, it was the essence of your argument.

TheElementsSong · 07/10/2016 07:52

No, you just refuse to accept that others have different opinions to you.

It is possible to accept that others have different opinions and to hold that these are incorrect, you know.

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surferjet · 07/10/2016 07:53

No I didn't.
A quick search would show you who said it.

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smallfox2002 · 07/10/2016 07:54

Well concerns about immigration tend to be about jobs, nhs, housing etc and all the evidence says that these concerns are incorrectly held.

I'm concerned abut zombies, but zombie attacks are at an all time low, doesn't make.my concern valid

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surferjet · 07/10/2016 07:54

You've accused me of saying something I never said.
That just about sums you up.

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smallfox2002 · 07/10/2016 07:56

I also seem to remember pexpres very valid and significantly evidenced concerns about the economic future being dismissed, despite the evidence showing that they are correct.

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surferjet · 07/10/2016 07:57

You can't get a simple basic fact right.

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surferjet · 07/10/2016 08:06

Thing is smallfox you've just demonstrated your way of thinking perfectly.
You accuse me of saying something I never said, you then realise your mistake, but instead of apologising you just blunder on with 'well if you didn't say it you probably should have' kind of crap.
If you were working for my political party I'd sack you on the spot.
You just can't be taken seriously.

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TheElementsSong · 07/10/2016 08:12

To be fair, smallfox I don't think it was surfer who made that particular gem of a comment so you have errored there.

Whether we should extrapolate from that error to conclude that everything you say is wrong, I can't say Grin!

smallfox2002 · 07/10/2016 08:14

Oh you are pathetic surfer.

I posted above a reasoned response to saying WHY concerns about immigration are not really valid, evidence backed ones, yet instead of trying to counter me on that you've just attacked me myself. Aren't you the one always complaining about being attacked?

Also, you did say something along those lines, about being happy for the government to sort it all out now that we were out.

Still not a challenge, never was, still ignorant, good old surfer.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 07/10/2016 08:16

Still not a challenge, never was, still ignorant, good old surfer.

How about you stop throwing insults around.

You accused another poster of saying something they didn't!

smallfox2002 · 07/10/2016 08:19

Actually, if you read what I said it was:

" not my circus not my monkeys" you even had a thread dedicated to your ignorance. "

Which was a thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2715975-Not-my-circus-not-my-monkeys-is-not-good-enough-a-thread-for-those-who-actually-want-answers?

Which was a thread, which was directly made in regard to something that Surfer had said along these lines.

So I didn't directly quote, I asked if you remembered a thread.

Are the insults only one sided?

Mistletoekids · 07/10/2016 08:21

A hard brexit with no reassurances to business is insanity

As proven by the near parity of sterling with euro

This country is rapidly becoming a massive joke

WrongTrouser · 07/10/2016 08:36

Not sure whether to join in at this particularly bun-righty stage but this is an example of a very unhelpful view point and where some of the "anti expert" sentiment (which I don't think is really this) expressed around the ref comes from.

I posted above a reasoned response to saying WHY concerns about immigration are not really valid

No, you didn't. You quoted a couple of studies which looked into a narrow aspect of the issue. It's not how research works, that one study is done and then the issue is closed. Studies need to be replicated before they can be accepted as reliable. Also these studies will have been based on certain assumptions which not everyone might agree with. Also the studies will be within certain parameters, which again, are open to debate.

So people who say they do not always want experts telling them what is correct may mean that they disagree with the assumptions which the expert is using, or with the parameters of the subject.

Immigration, or any social/economic issue, is a very complex, multifaceted issue and is constantly changing. To say, no concerns are valid because of one or two studies, with all their assumptions, limited parameters etc, is not helpful. I expect even the authors of the studies would not draw the sweeping conclusion from them that you do Small - that we now know everything we need to know about the effects of immigration and don't need to consider it any further.

TheForeignOffice · 07/10/2016 08:40

The circus/moneys thing....was that not on a different thread where surferjet politely observed that "Any women with half a brain voted leave." and at the same time that "Brexit is a feminist issue?" and I'm pretty sure there was also a little chit-chat about the number 350 too Grin?

HTH. As you were....

smallfox2002 · 07/10/2016 08:41

The studies all replicate other studies done previously. The Oxford study into the ns replicates one from 2008, the boe and LSE studies confirm the same points, even the UCL study has previous ones backing it's evidence.

To say that actually no, it's not.right to blame the problems of the NHS, low wages, school places and housing on migration is accurate.

We may need to consider effects further but the actions being taken are currently being justified on concerns that are based upon perception not evidence.