'leavers' At last we have a date for A50. March 2017 it is then.

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Good to have a set date.

Yeah, Bear, I'm afraid I tend to agree with Patty that tiresome things like environmental laws and workers' rights, will go.

I do remember the minibus driver thing, and how it was picked to pieces.

You're probably both right patty and sapphire but hey ho- those rules were so tiresome.

This is interesting: The Conservative Group for Europe.
"Welcome to our website. The Conservative Group for Europe regrets the outcome of the recent referendum on British membership of the European Union. It notes that the Leave campaign made a number of seriously inaccurate claims which are very likely to have affected the outcome and believes that the British national interest would have been best served by continued membership. It notes that both Britain and the Conservative Party have been deeply divided by the outcome.
Some pretty illustrious names supporting this!]]
(Still not holding breath for March 2017!

The trouble is, none of the CGE's members have any real influence.

Off at a tangent, why is its PO Box in Presteigne? The place is (and I say this with great affection) the very epitome of the one-horse dorp.

none of the CGE's members have any real influence.
Not sure I agree with that. They may not be cabinet ministers, but I don't think it makes them uninfluential.

Hmmm. It seems that those annoying 'size and shape' laws were repealed 8 years ago

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/3443343/EU-to-allow-sale-of-odd-shaped-fruit-and-vegetables.html

Interesting comment: In the EU, the fruit and veg looks much more natural. Even though it's a decision by the EU,we've implememented it more rigourously than in the EU

So, not only did Boris make up stories about curvy bananas but we (the British) alienated our own citizens from the EU by implementing the regulations far more strictly than was necessary. What a nation of fearful rule obeyers we turn out to be.

The bendy bananas thing comes round like clockwork in any vaguely EU-themed piece of 'news'. I can't believe people are still swallowing and regurgitating it seriously.

It's like the tampon tax that we'd already been exempted from.

It's very likely any changes will most adversely affect the very people who voted for them ie, the disenfranchised poorer in society who are more exposed to employment regulations etc.

But if Scotland and NI refuse to amend their laws eg on bendy bananas and tampons won't that in effect create non-tariff barriers within the UK?

It's a mess

There already calls for VAT setting powers to be devolved to Scotland once the UK leaves the EU.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-37270916

Scotland currently has powers over income tax, council tax and business rate setting.

Only morons want Brexit.

And you'd have to be super deluded to think a hard Brexit beginning in March without parliamentary approval of the detail would be anything other than a right-wing uber-shambles.

Just being a pedant, but Scotland currently only has partial powers over income taxes. The Scottish Government can only increase all tax bands by the same amount and can't reduce them, nor can it alter the thresholds. I believe that that is why the SNP hasn't used them yet - as it would hit lower earners more than higher earners.

prettybird that's not being pedantic - that's knowing the detail.

Yes, i t is only very limited tax changes in area - eg new Welsh stamp duty is coming out and Scotland and England now have different stamp duties.

One reason HMRC must delay their plans to make the self employed use new ditigal software and keep accoutns in new ways, file information 4 times a year etc is because of the need to change VAT following Brexit. It is going to be far too complicated to do both around the same time or at least I hope HMRC realises that.

the new EU data protection law comes in in 2018 before Brexit. On that issue I doubt the Government will then repeal it in 2019 for example but we shall see. It is deregulatory in a way as instead of businesses like mine paying every year to be registered for holding personal data that requirement will go.

yet another irony of Brexit: gettinh out of "undemocratic" EU and into undemocratic UK.

I too think this latest BS is all grandstanding. Brexit is not going to happen before German and French general elections. I can't see UK business permitting hard Brexit.

My prediction is they broker such a shitty deal then put it to the public and we will vote it down. Then we will be back to square one. (Optimism)

Only morons want Brexit
I have shouted on marches, I have emailed, written poetry and written numerous letters and FB posts on Brexit, but Honeywithlemon articulates perfectly my feelings today.
Whether you voted Leave, Remain or not at all, if you are not a moron, please tell your MP, shout how you are feeling. Tutting and drinking tea will not save our country from a hard Brexit. Non-morons unite!

Interesting comment: In the EU, the fruit and veg looks much more natural. Even though it's a decision by the EU,we've implememented it more rigourously than in the EU

As absolutely anyone who has ever shopped in a Spanish or Italian market should surely know! But blame the EU, and not the supermarkets silly policies because they have decreed that consumers like regular shaped fruit and veg.

I'm somewhat concerned by the lack of traffic on the MN EU forum. In my office nobody is talking about Brexit. Have people just accepted it or is their a quiet fear?

zen I hope so

In my office nobody is talking about Brexit. Have people just accepted it or is their a quiet fear?

Or it's more likely that the EU was never really a big issue in their lives. They could well get a shock when Brexit happens - just from inconveniences like having to queue longer at passport control, to more major events like whole industries pulling out, and then it will be 'this isn't what we voted for'.

TM has stated we are keeping all the EU laws, rules and regs. and only going through them all afterwards over the following years.

That^ is complete bollocks...

www.europeanlawmonitor.org/eu-referendum-topics/the-legislative-impact-of-brexit-on-the-uk-economy.html

www.europeanlawmonitor.org/eu-referendum-topics/how-could-the-uk-deal-with-the-legal-implications-of-brexit.html

I think the reality is that an enormous proportion of the general public have absolutely no idea what they voted for or against and what the repercussions are.

I witnessed a conversation about driving licences the day after the referendum and one person said to the other, with complete sincerity, I'm not sure you can drive in the UK with a European licence now we've left the EU

There's a huge swath of people who don't seem to have any comprehension of the enormity of this decision.

In my office nobody is talking about Brexit. Have people just accepted it or is their a quiet fear?

Snap Peregrina :(