LEAVERS - update on the 'invoke A50 now' petition. I have the reply.

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'Let's redirect the millions we spend on the EU into the NHS' was about the grand sum of their plan.

People bought that line, which they only admitted was a load of old cobblers after the event.

And you wonder why Remianers are not happy.

But the size of the vote gives the mandate does it not.

"So your idea that the amount of the vote to leave has anything to do with being 'not quite enough to make the decisions that you want' is just incorrect. I really can't see why you are gloating."

We'll leave the EU, but I'm gloating because surfer wants us to invoke art 50 now, its not going to happen, in fact the size of the mandate means that a very soft exit from the EU is most likely to happen. Its really funny that all these zealot leavers are not going to get what they thought they voted for.

After all, the legions of voters who haven't voted for decades can't be trusted to come back out and vote in a GE, whilst I'd imagine that most of those who voted remain can.

Oh and they did bugger off, Boris failed to run despite having been the campaign leader, Farage resigned, Hannan started to retract things about cutting immigration.

What is going to be funnier is the fact that the vast majority of people will view the arrangement we had with the EU before June 23rd as being far better than the one we're going to get.

But cling to your dreams eh, its about all you've got left.

There was NO shortage of information on how unprepared the country was for Brexit before the vote. The warnings were clear and coming from many different reliable sources.

It makes me furious that people who clearly have the ability to read and use the Internet didn't bother to find it before they voted to leave. And now their response is "not my problem"? You've got to be utterly irresponsible or irredeemably thick to come up with that kind of crap at this point.

"its not my problem"

Haha typical leaver statement its basically:

"I want this, I have no real reasoned arguments for why I want this, so I'm going to use every trick in the book to get what I want, distort information, make appeals to emotions, scare people with the immigrants coming to take their jobs, tell them its a way to stand up to "that London", but when I get it, I don't actually want responsibility for it. Leave that to the experts, who I've now decided I like."

Also, why has no one noted the absences of the politicos on here.

Springingintoaction, BritBrit, AnnaForbes and several others were constant daily posters all day and all night here in the run up.

Vanished now.

Leavers annoyed because Remainers didn't come up with a plan for them.

You couldn't make it up.

They didn't know two years ago. They knew just over one year before the Referendum when Cameron had his surprise win. If, as he almost certainly expected, that there was another coalition with the Lib Dems, he would have blamed them for not letting him have a Referendum.

But yes, he should have had a plan. Had he done so, and appreciated the difficulties of Brexit, he might then have been able to make his Remain arguments more persuasive. I think he probably should have stayed on though. To be fair to Gove, he did stand for PM, so although taken by surprise, was at least prepared to put his money where his mouth was. The same could also be said of Leasdom, but I am not sure that speaking as a mum is the best negotiating position to take.

smallfox, I've been wondering that very thing about our old Leave familiars! Where have they all gone? Or have they all just NC'd?

It is all our problem now because of the clusterfuck we are going to end up with.

Pointing the finger of blame is kind of a waste of energy at this point. All it does is cause more anger.

I think Leave voters will end up as screwed, if not more screwed, than anyone. Its not in anyone's interests to invoke a50 now.

If anyone would like a nice long list on reasons why, I can provide one. Its largely beaucratic - involving both legal and constitutional issues which affect both the British Government and the EU.

Its boring as hell. We may as well get used to it as this is where we will be for a while since a50 was never intended to be used, so no one really knows what it involves.

It was a diplomatic document rather than a legal document and as such, the legalities need to be hammered out, and it may turn out that it needs to be resolved via diplomatic means (as in a50 may technically turn out to be not fit for purpose and the only way that we can Brexit in reality because we are so tied up with the EU presently, is via some sort of EU treaty to remove us)

Confused? Think it sounds like complicated bollocks? Yes that's the entire problem. It can not be resolved by just going ' BYE SEE YA!' the day after the vote.

I personally which the Department for Hot Air would start being honest with the public over this, rather than putting out meaningless fudges of statements like the one to the above petition as the public's expectations need to be aligned with the reality of the situation.

Brexit means Beaucratic Bollocks

Sapphire I believe they've mostly followed the example of their leaders and run away gone elsewhere, a private location where they can collectively enjoy the sunlit uplands of independence from the oppressive yoke. This, I am given to understand, is because on this open forum there are all these nasty people who are bullying them (by expressing anything but glowing abstractions glorifying our effulgent future).

I believe they've mostly followed the example of their leaders and run away gone elsewhere, a private location where they can collectively enjoy the sunlit uplands of independence from the oppressive yoke.I believe they've mostly followed the example of their leaders and run away gone elsewhere, a private location where they can collectively enjoy the sunlit uplands of independence from the oppressive yoke.

Sorry - posted it twice!

Wow. Those poli-trolls were busy little bees weren't they? It's quite an education looking back over the posting histories of those three.

Sorry to burst your bubble, or to use the phraseology of your exit peers, suck it up buttercup

Suck what up?
Has Theresa May officially announced we're not leaving?

Suck up that article 50 isn't going to get invoked now, suck up that immigration is unlikely to fall and that freedom of movement will continue, as will EU contributions.

Just in general that what you thought you voted for ain't gonna happen, whatever you thought you voted for wasn't a reality.

We will leave the EU, but EU lite is what we will get, to the detriment of the UK.

Saph and Kaija.

I think they were paid tbh. I read a lot of threads before posting and there were lots of posters who challenged them well, but they were dogmatic and they seemed to post in a style which was copied by other posters, of a similar nature in another forum I use. It was almost as if they had been given a style guide.

They started lots of threads, and shouted down a lot of others and were a dominant force here and it is odd that they vanished almost as soon as June 24th rocked round.

I agree with Smallfox. I always thought they were plants, as they posted in a particular style (posting lies, not responding to evidence disproving them, posting more lies, or the same ones again), and they were not shy in using the MN machinery to get posts deleted and posters banned. I was very disappointed in how complicit MN were with them.

I have no idea whether we will get soft Brexit or Hard Brexit, but since I was born in the 1950s, I can remember something of the post war recovery. It took at least 10 years if not 15 for the country to get back on its feet again.

Those who think it will all be sorted after two years are living in cloud cuckoo land.

I found it very, very odd reading through threads that they had started, noticing the posts they had deleted themselves, and the fact that they weren't then banned too.

Very suspect. Gave me serious doubts about MNs neutrality.

They deffo had a style guide, the bold capitalisation of LEAVE, but the best one had to be the one that made every post about being a MUM, was she a Tory MP in disguise?

Oh yes! She name changed left when people started taking the piss calling her on it. And she only ever posted links to the Fail or the Express!

I wasn't following the threads then. Was she Andrea Leasdom? Another one who has gone very quiet in recent weeks.

I'd hope that an MP had better critical thinking faculties than that, in fact I think she named changed and became another poster opening threads with daily fail links.

Yes, I thought that seemed likely too, smallfox. Would love to know the full story. Someone needs to do a proper investigation. Best guess at the moment is it's all part of Leave.EU's social media campaign, with Arron Banks behind it all, but who knows. He is one who is very experienced in covering his tracks.