LEAVERS - update on the 'invoke A50 now' petition. I have the reply.

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Enough to vote for Leave I meant to say,

I trusted leave more than I trusted remain yes. Leave spoke for ordinary people, people I can identify with, 'normal' people if you like. & all politicians lie a bit, goes with the territory, but there's usually some truth there amongst all the spin, it's just a question of who/what you want to believe really.

Wow - when I have a difficult question to answer I look for 'experts', people who have studied the issues. I would be more likely to trust them than 'ordinary people'.

I would trust a plumber to fit my central heating not an economist, so I would conversely trust an economist to explain the effects of leaving the EU not a plumber.

Ah so there we have it. You sought confirmation bias, not actual analysis of the issues.

Leave spoke to normal people? What by pandering to their prejudices not actually offering them solid and valid reasons.

Seriously, did you really trust Farage? The blatant hypocrite who doesn't believe in the EU but is more than happy to take a salary from them. Hasn't done a real job for donkeys years, yet makes that criticism of MEPs at least one of whom was a heart surgeon.

No they just told her what she wanted to hear.

No, I listened to quite a few other people, many of them women.

Example;

Women who campaign for Britain to leave the European Union are like the Suffragettes because they are "fighting for our democratic freedom", a female Cabinet minister will say today

Priti Patel, the employment minister, will say on Tuesday that Emmeline Pankhurst and the other Suffragettes did not fight for the right to vote to see "those decisions surrendered to the EU's undemocratic institutions and political elite"

She will speak at the launch of Women for Britain, a group which argues that leaving the European Union will "enhance our democracy and empower women in this country"

Any women with half a brain voted leave.

Dear God surfer are you actually serious?

What the fuck has bring a woman got to do with staying in the EU or not?

that is truly pathetic

Ah so we're back to the much debunked democratic reasons, along with a vacuous appeal to history by Priti Patel, and sourced from the Telegraph?

Tell you what, they didn't fight for the vote so that women's rights could be eroded once they were hard won either.

Anyone with half a brain voted remain.

As you keep proving on here.

any woman with half a brain voted to leave

Are you pissed or do you genuinely believe that?

I know this is pointless as you'll suddenly become incredibly busy, but why has voting to leave got anything to do with gender?

As proven by Andrea Leadsom and her comments on maternity leave?

Just as well I'm a woman with a whole brain then - which led me to vote Remain

I'm in London too, and yet somehow I contrived to spare a thought for Northern Ireland and the GFA issue before voting.

Does it bother you that so many leave promises were shown to be false, and that others were reneged on within hours?

No. Because I didn't trust a word the remain campaigners were saying either.

Your answer doesn't really fit with the question.

Anyway, never mind. I'm now convinced that you're having a laugh, surfer. It was this comment that decided me: Any women with half a brain voted leave, after your citing of Priti Patel's bletherings.

I trusted leave more than I trusted remain yes. Leave spoke for ordinary people, people I can identify with, 'normal' people if you like. & all politicians lie a bit, goes with the territory, but there's usually some truth there amongst all the spin, it's just a question of who/what you want to believe really.

You didn't trust Remain because but apparently you also now trust aforementioned politicians so much that, having done the hard work of putting a cross in a box, you're content to sit back and shrug and let happen. Oh-kay.

And "what you want to believe"? Speechless.

Seriously, when you complain that remainers all label leave voters and then come out with that crap, you really do confirm the labels.

I really was going to give this up as pointless but after surfers gem about the vote boiling down to gender, I figured 30 odd posts wasn't going to resolve it so here's a thousand more opportunities for us to actually get some answers.

Please answer the questions

The idea that Johnson, GOve and Farage spoke for 'normal' people is bizarre...

I'm still gobsmacked that so many voted on the basis of campaigns rather than the issues. I gave people more credit for intelligence than was justified.

surferjet

FYI these are "British Values", as taught throughout schools in the UK (and in most families):

1. Democracy (that means, voice of people based on fact not lies and not counting 37% of a questionably inappropriate sample group as a "mandate")

2. Obey rule of law (that means not willfully attempting to bypass parliamentary due process on any significant decisions)

3. Individual liberty (that means not having freedoms and rights whipped away from people)

4. Mutual respect and tolerance of others (that means no to xenophobia and racism)

I get that you don't grasp economics...it's a specialist subject. I kind of half get that you didn't bother to fully research the issue (you forgot NI amongst many other things ). I get that you don't sufficiently understand EU vs. UK political process so fail when apportioning accountability for your list of whines (this is why you can't ever explain what you voted for and what you want next and state "faith" as your reasoning and show lack of understanding of so many basic questions on this thread - there is no other explanation). I even get how you were duped by the lies of Farage, Gove et al...you come across as quite vulnerable to misinformation, to be honest.

What I don't get is how you can make such offensive comments regarding Remain voters when the views you have repeatedly expressed on this thread are the absolute antithesis of British Values.

And surferjet the "Any women with half a brain voted leave" comment? Trust me, you have more than demonstrated your "leave" brain power on this thread. Congratulations

www.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/the-eu-is-a-feminist-issue-im-voting-to-leave

Not sure the link will work ( I'm on my phone ) but before this thread ends just wanted to post this.
Not always a fan of JB. but she spoke sense to me in this article. I already knew the European Union was just one big boys club, so it was nice to see others expressing the same view.
Brexit is a feminist issue. & if you stop trying to score points all the time you may come to realise that.
( & apologies for the 'women with half a brain' comment. my only excuse is I was very tired )

Yeah Julie Burghill has very spurious reasons too and she uses the 350 million a week figure, this doesn't validate your opinion. Again it's a demonstration that you understand how the EU works.

surfer the EU may be a boys' club, but what do you think Westminster is?

As pointed out by a PP, even some of the women at Westminster are hardly feminists - e.g. Andrea Leadsom and her views on maternity leave as pointed out by a PP.

And the judiciary. And the professions. www.theguardian.com/education/2016/aug/25/professional-jobs-dominated-by-white-male-well-off-graduates