A thread for Leave voters to list the positives of leaving the EU

[Bearbehind]

Seeing as the previous thread is nearly full and no one on it has given us a single tangible positive that we can expect from leaving the EU as opposed to staying I thought I'd start a shiny new thread with a thousand opportunities.

No Talkin Not a copy of the EU Free Trade Agreement... FREE to make our own trade agremments.

Those countries (named further upthread included) we currently have very little % trade with have, for the most part, already signalled their interest in coming to a trade agreement when we are FREE of the EU Free Trade Agreement.

And Bear Show us your knickers!

Or some such other stupid request that will match the idiocy of your last demand!

You really don't want to see my knickers ourblanche

On second thoughts, a total eclipse might be a good way out of this!

ourblanche
so, we set up a free trade agreement with Australia ... to sell them what ?
Free trade agreements with hicksville are just chewing gum
Oz ain't gonna drop its do-lally import rules
FFS they lock up refugees in a prison camp on Nauru that is against ALL international law.
And as they no longer use their famed points system for immigrants
why are you so enamoured of a country with a population smaller than London ?

Don't get me started, Bears I am on the outside of a couple glasees of cheap Prosecco

Talkin I must have missed one of my posts - where did I say any of that?

Bugger, I really must be drunk!!!

Why 27 countries? we will negotiate with the EU.

On VAT - the deal was that the EU would release an Action plan on VAT, incuding 'looking at' how countries could reduce rates on new items.

The Action Plan is available and includes many things that will take many years to agree - even the commission thinks this will take many difficult years to agree and may not extend the reduced rate to new items. This is fundamentally because the EU dislikes VAT rates being used to effect the single market (eg items less than £15 from the Channel Islands) so wants a single market for VAT. Basically you may Zero rate tampons from 2030, but lose control over VAT rates.

Lowcostholidays - over 140,000 idiots then - who would have been protected outside the EU as lowcostholidays would not have been allowed to operate without an ATOL licence. People believed the EU gave the same protection when it does not. Lowcost quoted "You can have confidence when travelling with lowcostholidays. We have been successfully trading for 10 years and we have full financial protection arrangements as required by European law. We are established in Spain. Spain, just as the UK does, has financial protection requirements for travel companies. We comply fully with those financial protection requirements"
If we had free trade deals with new countries, then we would trade more with them - this is a long-term thing, not an overnight change.
The downside people were warning is generally not coming true, with the BoE reporting no change in the economy.

My apologies Ourblanche I meant to reply to your Baldrick corcory who you had reiterated a few seconds later

BUT
until you both provide evidence, I have no reason to consider your views as anything more than conspiracy

FFS they lock up refugees in a prison camp on Nauru that is against ALL international law.

And this is actually true, and the shame of it is, I only knew about that because of a news program covering the "we will have an Australian style point system" type story, after brexit. Fucking hell - it's inhumane.

Are we really going to sanction the UK - Great Britain - doing this to other human beings?? Children?

until you both provide evidence, I have no reason to consider your views as anything more than conspiracy Ah! That explains that then!

[wonders where she left the tinfoil...]

caroldecker
You are clearly relying on the other posters being as stupid as you are

Lowcostholidays - over 140,000 idiots then - who would have been protected outside the EU as lowcostholidays would not have been allowed to operate without an ATOL licence.

The EU has NOTHING to do with the regulation of companies who lie about their ATOL : trading standards in each country are responsible
but the UK Tory Government cut funding for Trading Standards

and as a non EU citizen, you EU bods are so effing soft - try the USA model - no cover WHAT SO EVER

Lots of Brexiters want to blame the EU for stuff that falls FIRMLY in the lap of Whitehall and nowhere else

• school places : Gove banned Councils building Schools
• houses : Pickles banned councils building houses
• hospitals : Osborne cut the NHS budget so they could not hire staff
• multinationals : Brown and Gove wrote crap UK tax law
• immigrants : do you want your EBACC kids picking cabbages 12 hours a day ?

Cheers everyone. Corcory cheers coming? Smallfox it's a bit early to be slurring, here, have some more. Bear want a top up?

Why 27 countries? we will negotiate with the EU.

But as all those countries have a veto we are, in effect negotiating with the lowest common denominator.

It would be actually be easier to negotiate with each country individually.

It doesn't change the fact we are still only negotiating to get back to where we are now.

Lots of Brexiters want to blame the EU for stuff that falls FIRMLY in the lap of Whitehall and nowhere else

And sooner or later, they will realise that, only, by the time they do - the government will be blaming everything on the brexit. They're not stupid you know - this will be turned back on us. There will only be sunlit uplands for the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg who clearly want to live in complete free-market capitalism (Victorian England-style).

antique do I ever?!

*Jacob Rees-Mogg who was born into absolute privileged aristocracy, the proverbial silver spoon. The actual "elite" - not the Londoners who are in good jobs - who are doing good for the country, paying their taxes etc.

That's the joke - the people that really want and crave the brexit that will be the reality, are the most horrific people: Rees-Mogg, Gove, Farage, Lawson. Trump, Arron Banks, Dominic Cummings, Nick Griffin, Putin.

For heaven's sake, ask yourselves why.

The bank of England information basically covers three weeks, and of course it doesn't include things like business optimism or consumer confidence data.

Its great that actually not leaving has had little to no effect, yet, remember how low the pound is, that hasn't effected prices yet, it will. There have also been lots of firms that have said that they will stall future investment till they find out what is happening, Siemens is one.

Your confirmation bias abounds Carol, one report that backs you and you're all over it, yet the BOE predicts that there WILL be a recession later this year, as do most other experts.

The fact that Article 50 hasn't been triggered is giving a lot of companies hope that it will actually be a Norway style deal, which means that you Brexiteers get none of what you want.

The £7bn Maki is 4.4 % of the budget.

HMRC says about 4.4% of its budget goes on "material error"

Also as said the £7bn is used wastefully or fraudulently by the MEMBER STATES, not by the EU its self.

Talkin - I got the information on Free trade agreements on the Australian Government dept. of trade and foreign affairs wed site.

corcory
link please

You won't get any reasons.

You will get complaints from leave voters, saying that remain voters should accept democracy and shut the fuck up

Or even possibly complaints about how remain voters are "nasty vile bullies, who think all leave voters are racist.

The fact that Article 50 hasn't been triggered is giving a lot of companies hope that it will actually be a Norway style deal, which means that you Brexiteers get none of what you want.

That's exactly where I'm at.

I've said before I don't think a single Leave voter is going to get what they voted for, regardless of what their reasons for voting actually were.

That is because Leave were never offered anything tangible.

If the choice had been staying in the EU or giving them a massive 'fuck you' and essentially ring fencing the UK to make us entirely self controlled I could see the choice but, as it was/ is it was only ever a wishy washy 'we want the good stuff but not the bad' it was never, in a million years, going to happen.

Talkin Australia believes it has a free trade agreement with China

Smallfox On the economy:

And here’s another view on the IMF’s latest pronouncements, from Capital Economics. The research company’s Michael Pearce said:

After spending the run-up to the UK’s EU referendum warning that Brexit would cause “severe regional and global damage”, the IMF all but admitted on Tuesday that it had been bluffing, forecasting that the impact would be largely benign after all

Dear Leave voters : You won, you want us to shut up.

If Remain had won, would you have told Farage to shut down UKIP ?

And why is he still taking £15,000 a month for his salary, his wife's salary and his kids salary from the EU ?
you did know that UKIP has always been funded with EU money

I'm no good with links. I just googled Australian free trade deals.