To feel really positive about leaving the EU

[kitty1976]

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

The ftse 100 is not a good indicator it's international companies. Try looking at the ftse 250 which is a much better predictor of confidence as it is more uk based. It's not looking good. Also look at construction companies. You sound stupid and poorly educated because you say things which have been explained over and over to be wrong.

I guess job losses are a good thing too? And the rise in racist attacks, and the defection of financial companies to Europe, and the destabilisation of peace on northern Ireland, its all fabulous!! So happy!
And these huge trade deals we're going to do with India and China, just one question.... What are we going to sell them?

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you really really can't.

Everyone is entitled to use their vote however they wished. Tht much I believe.

But don't come on the Internet with your delusional fairy stories positivity and bang on about how the arse falling out of the pound is a good thing when millions of us are reeling from shock and worried about what's ahead

How can you say people have been proved wrong about the effects of leaving the EU when we haven't done it? Where they have been proved right is in relation to the disastrous fall of the pound. And if you think that has happened because of people talking down our economy, then frankly you are economically illiterate.

Is there any chance of you telling us precisely what you think the Leave plan is for keeping the economy going? Because apparently Leave leaders would like to know themselves.

Being in the majority means you're right, of course! Excellent logic.

No Sooverthis, it's the situation we all find ourselves in that is unpleasant and all due to the uninformed voting of folk like the OP.
Most of the things the Brexiters objected to were caused by this government anyway and will not be changed by leaving the EU

Do I know you OP???

On my Facebook (which is, as we all know, a very robust source of data ) amongst the many friends I have that voted remain, I have one acquaintance who voted leave. And my god he is obnoxious about it!

All his sources are unreliable and very biased, his views are ignorant and ill informed, and the cherry on top of the cake is that he's one of those "I'm not racist but..." types.

You post in a similar style to him.

Teresa May is no liberal, find out about her voting record and tenure at the home office. It's a tactically aimed speech, nothing more.

The stupid thing keeps coming up, if someone has a different view they must be stupid. I'm no fan of most politicians and disagree with lots of them but they aren't stupid.

I don't know about Spain and Italy, but the youth of Greece face chronic unemployment as a result of the country's huge inability to manage it's own tax affairs. It has very little to do with the EU.
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This.
My Greek friend told me that Greece would have been absolutely fucked without the EU bailing it out. Sorry to not be able to remember the discussion in enough detail to have a reasoned conversation about it but it wasn't the EU that broke it, it helped to try to fix it.
And that's before the argument that EU nationals have done the work that hasn't been filled by Brits such as working the fields. Or the EU research funding that is being stopped. Or the EU grants that have been frozen. Or the factories already closing and companies relocating. Or the fact that undercutting wages is down to employers. Or that falling house prices will plunge god knows how many into negative equity and unable to sell.
But it's all golden isn't it because our little island has better bargaining power on it's own than part of a bigger collective.

The stupid thing keeps coming up, if someone has a different view they must be stupid

Nope. Say something ill informed and it is a stupid view

I'm waiting impatiently to read the OP's economic plan.

I think its interesting that the OP ignores anyone who disagrees and just says people are talking Britain down. Maybe have a look around there's not much to talk positively about at the moment.

Oh God preserve us.
These are the people who voted us out.
FTSE is high because foreign investors have been bargain hunting.
How did we not have power?
We will never get a deal as good as the one we have now, we got to keep the pound.
Have you seen the state of the pound now?
Austerity isn't due to the EU. Unbelievable! Austerity is a fabrication dreamed up to enable large sums of money to be siphoned off the economy in a reversal of Robin Hood principles.

You do sound naive and poorly educated. I doubt you think that you are either of those.
Our country is in a state and LEAVE is not going to do anything but make us poorer.

OK, kitty, we've got it, you don't think Leave voters are stupid, so maybe you could move on from that point. Just for starters, tell us why you think the European Parliament is unelected.

Kitty, you haven't answered a single question that people here are asking you, which makes it look like you're talking out of your arse. You aren't demonstrating any grasp of the issues under discussion.

Don't even get me started on the fact that the maternity pay/ leave that we currently receive (as piss poor as it is) is a agreement and governed by the eu, and once we leave the eu, the government can decide to give you eff all. Much like America, who for clarification are not in the eu kitty. Great times.

The voting statistics indicate that the majority of Leave voters are less educated. That isn't the same thing as "stupid" and if interpret it as such, then that is your issue, Kitty.

I'd forgotten about that, Kanga

As we receive a great deal of scientific research funding from the EU, research into medicines will take a hit. As will the 3.5m jobs dependent on EU membership.

I cannot muster up the energy for a single exclamation mark.

As bird already pointed out, the FTSE 100 is largely international companies that are benefitting from a falling pound (everything we own is currently valued at about 10% less since the Brexit vote) so it's not a reflection of anything positive happening in the UK economy.

So kitty prove us all wrong about the 'stupid' thing. How will the country be better off with Brexit? How? Please tell us as I'd love to share your deluded rose-tinted view?

Assuming Kitty is quite because she's reading my link to the UN verdict on the human rights abuses the Tories inflicted on the poor and disadvantaged during the last bout of austerity cuts

Kitty, love, just because a majority of the people of the UK voted for something that most experts concurred was utterly stupid does not mean it has miraculously transformed into a Really Good Thing.

Most experts predicted a tanking economy and a double dip recession - with the second recession perhaps taking a a tenth out of the economy. One or two experts thought it might be a good thing.

Voting 'Leave' did not automatically mean that the one or two pro-Leave experts were correct, and the many incorrect. Those predictions remained unchanged by the voting outcome (which was, after all, about staying in or out of the EU. Not about which 'future' you were voting for).

Here's the truth: The referendum was dreamt up as a sop to Conservative whiners. It was offered to the UK public to vote on purely because no-one in power seriously, really thought that the UK would vote for the stupid option.

52% confounded expectations and did.

You can click your heels and positive think all you like, love. You aren't going to magically make everything fab. And (you can take hope from this) all the Remainers's misgivings aren;t going to affect the outcome, either.

No-one knows what's going to happen now.

However, given that the majority of experts thought it was a shit idea - and that still remains the case, despite 52% of the UK voting for it) - the probability is that it is going to be shit.

Sorry how would anyone know that the majority of leave voters are less educated!!! Opinion polls????