To feel really positive about leaving the EU

[kitty1976]

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

Right, so no more people on lorries and obesity will be cured because we're out of CAP.

Keep 'em coming

Please someone start a new thread

Seriously, I'm out of these discussions, just can't be bothered any more.

I'll pop back on when A50 is triggered.

Have a lovely summer ref thread people 😎

But when IDS talked about open borders it's not true. Last time I travelled between Belgium and Holland there was only a sign at the side of the road. The lack of a staffed border between France and Belgium, did I believe, contribute to the Bataclan attacks in France. Contrast this with every time you return to the UK and go through Immigration. A potential terrorist could be stopped at this point. So no, the border isn't open.

Re Open borders being a magnet for terrorism, I have never heard of any East Europeans committing terrorist acts in the UK.

surferjet
J K Rowlinng wrote in Harry Potter: it's harder for people to forgive you for being right than for being wrong.
I hope you realise that you need a break because you have run out of arguments. Fair play. Good luck with BREXIT too

Surferjet Nobody is dismissing your concerns about security. Were it not for my morning sickness forcing me off a train before Victoria 24 years ago I might have been blown to smithereens, and had I gone to work a bit earlier I might have been caught up in 7/7 as well but what we are dismissing is the link you are making to immigration controls being the solution. There are lots of complex measures we can take and are taking, including not bombing people out of their homes and treating each other with respect and tolerance. Brexit kind of set us back on that last one though didn't it?

But surferjet- you don't discuss. You say things. The when somebody else comments on what you've said, you say you can't be bothered and leave the thread. Until the next day.

tiggytape
In a global world, that's the only solution probably now. I feel extremely close to my online friends on Internet forums. I take part in discussions and I feel totally at home with new people around me. I am sure none of the over 50s can feel the same way. It's just the way technology has evolved and the human emotions along with it.
I really wish Corbyb had been given due time and exposure in the media. I have posted that London School of Economics study here numerous times now. It says he has been given disproportionately unfair treatment even for a Labour leader (Kinnock etc were compared too!) to the point of being unethical and undemocratic and damaging the democratic values of our country!

Good luck with BREXIT too

SurferJet before you depart, could you be so kind as to outline the Brexit plan please? Thanks.

I am sure none of the over 50s can feel the same way. It's just the way technology has evolved and the human emotions along with it.

Er, less of the ageist generalising please [angry}

I am sure none of the over 50s can feel the same way.

I don't agree there - I am well over 50 but have embraced internet forums with enthusiasm. Don't forget that people like Bill Gates, and Tim Berners-Lee are over 50 now.

(But this is a bit of a digression.)

obvs

Sorry about the generalisation. Nearly 95% people around me right now who are of this age group have absolutely no idea how I cope. They actually look down upon us "stuck to that screen of yours". That's a very fair point that it did sound like ageist. But it wasn't my intention at all. It's just something that I feel has played a role in this situation. I am sorry.

Globetrotter100

Plans? what plans? plans are for wimps

& Valentine2 you could have quoted me something from Shakespeare .....Harry Potter indeed

The very best to all of you I'm sure our paths will cross again one day.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2689840-To-feel-really-positive-about-leaving-the-EU-Continued

Continuing this the head of anyone wants to join.

Damned phone and my typo.

Just to feed the remainer goady trolls

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/17/brexit-will-make-the-nhs-safer-top-surgeon-says/

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-science-firms-must-seize-the-benefits-of-leaving-the-eu-a3299846.html

Plus, if nothing else there are still some wonderful gems popping up. Valentine, you really believe that the 'pre 2008 recession' generation havent a clue how bad things can be? That was a LOL moment. The 1970s 3 day week and persistant power cuts. The army on our streets firefighting. The 1990's 15% mortgage rates, and you think the 2008 'recession' top trumps the lot?!

But back to the OP, its now 20/7 as each day goes by (wasnt the IMF muppets u turn a classic this week) not only am I more and more optimistic, but Im absolutely seeing re-inforcement that to leave was indeed the right choice. The BoE leaving rates where they are when we ALL anticipated a cut in July, was well quite staggering. Its been week on week of pre referendum doomster u-turns. Brilliant.

surferjet
It was the best quote in the simplest form that came to my mind. Fits the bill perfectly.

chris
To be fair, I have no idea about the hardships you have seen. I am sure it must have been very hard on you but there are a million studies out there showing millennials have had it far tougher.
1970s was a global recession by the way?

tiggy you are totally right as to why leave voters dont engage. And in some ways, rightly so.
I just wish someone would actually say 'this is my blue print'
I'm sure this would help a lot of Remainers to get their head around what is going to happen.

I fully disagree with the fact that the people from the wY can go in and out as they please.
First the in uk the only place who still follow the shengen treaty so there are some border control.
Second, the free movement is free movement of workers. Or if you can sustain yourself (eg retired).
Some countries have put some restrictions on access to hospital etc... Just as the uk could have done. If you arrive here wo a job and still don't have one after 6 months, you can be told to leave etc....
France fur example has send back groups of people from Romania who were expecting to get all the benefits in France, send their dcs to school there wo ever even trying to work.
So it can be done. Or rather it could have been done ....

Thing is...
We don't know!
None of us - remainers nor leavers
We have taken a HUGE leap into the dark here and lots of people did so by trusting the right wing press and/or thinking they were "sticking it" to the left "London based elite"
Obv they are now quite pissed off!
No one likes being lied to/feeling stupid
I really hope leavers are correct
I really hope "everything will be fine"
But I fear not
I remember the 1970s/80s and that's where I see the uk headed again
Except worse...because - as I said earlier - the genie is out of the bottle now
The racist/xenophobes now think they have a political mandate for their vile views
Of course not all leavers are racist morons BUT they shared a platform with them and therefore are tainted by association
Leavers can bluster all they wish but race hate crime up by massive amounts since the Euro ref result
Not a coincidence
And - had I voted leave - right now I would be asking WHERE ARE THEY!? Where are all the pre leave politicians and famous faces!?
What was the great plan?
Why aren't they dealing with this omnishambles??
Utter utter bollocks.
All of it

I take part in discussions and I feel totally at home with new people around me. I am sure none of the over 50s can feel the same way. It's just the way technology has evolved and the human emotions along with it.

Ok then.

'Human emotions have evolved' to make young people 'feel totally at home with new people around them'.

Get over yourself.

To be fair, I have no idea about the hardships you have seen. I am sure it must have been very hard on you but there are a million studies out there showing millennials have had it far tougher.

Actual lol.
Perhaps reading a bit of recent British history would help you out with that.
Just the last 100 years will do.

Millennials really haven't got it hard to be fair - it's not easy, granted, but it's not far tougher than any other time^^ by any stretch.

" I take part in discussions and I feel totally at home with new people around me. I am sure none of the over 50s can feel the same way. It's just the way technology has evolved and the human emotions along with it"

Wow. Have you the remotest idea how ageist and offensive that is????????