To feel really positive about leaving the EU

[kitty1976]

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

I'm not a medic so can't comment on Chris' first link, but I've carefully read (and re-read) the second link about science firms, and essentially it says a big fat nothing, just a couple of reassuring noises and platitudes, plus a dose of the dreaded reality negativity from the head of RCUK.

Of course not all leavers are racist morons BUT they shared a platform with them and therefore are tainted by association

No they're not.
Some Leavers shared a platform with some racist morons.

This is not enough to 'taint' all Leave voters, and it is offensive to read the constant comments regarding 'you ally yourself with xyz racist/xenophobe, therefore you must accept that you will be forever linked to them'.

That's exactly the same as saying that all Muslims should just accept that they're tainted by association to Islamic extremists purely because they follow the same religion.

Mango..
IFS reports released just yesterday show that baby boomers and pensioners have seen their pensions increase by 11%
Millennials have seen their wages got down in the same time frame by 7% and they are now earning - in real terms - less than their parents

Rubbish!
Anyone who voted the same way as farage is forever tainted in my eyes - and those of history I expect
Oh how he must be laughing at us all

You made that clear earlier with your mouth breathing, knuckle dragger comment Badders.

What I find offensive is leavers bleating that they aren't racist but yet happily voting the same way as far right wing racists
Protesting too much??

Maybe I'm unlucky and it's just the ones I know?
Am on my hols atm however, and am off to enjoy the lovely sunshine

IFS reports released just yesterday show that baby boomers and pensioners have seen their pensions increase by 11%
Millennials have seen their wages got down in the same time frame by 7% and they are now earning - in real terms - less than their parents

I am not a millennial, I am not a baby boomer either.

My wages also underwent a freeze over a long period & a reduction in real terms.
I am most definitely not the only one.
Forgive me for not reserving my tears for just the millennials.

At least the millennials will not face getting sacked for being pregnant, or sacked for being gay.
They have a raft of opportunities open to them that just didn't exist when I was a teen/early 20s - and I had far more opportunities in life than my mother did, she had more than her mother etc etc.

Very true mango
Thanks to EU laws!!!!!

And I'm 43 so not a millennial or baby boomer either

Valentine opened a new thread? Looks like I was the only one who jumped there as you do when a thread is near the end and a new one starts? I know this about threadiquette in spite of being over 50

"At least the millennials will not face getting sacked for being pregnant, or sacked for being gay."

Well let's hope not, but free from EU restrictions it's all up for grabs. Remember Andrea Leadsom's great idea about removing all employee rights - including sickness and maternity - for small businesses.

At least the millennials will not face getting sacked for being pregnant, or sacked for being gay.
They have a raft of opportunities open to them that just didn't exist when I was a teen/early 20s - and I had far more opportunities in life than my mother did, she had more than her mother etc etc

they have that now. That doesn't mean it can't be taken away.

Kaija, Seek, I have just said the same on the new thread!

And whilst we are here then yes I do feel for the Millennials. I graduated in the 70s recession with no student debt and I and many of my peers from working class backgrounds more or less walked into good jobs including city banks and lawyers. By our mid 20s we were in a position to buy our own property. Salary in a graduate career would be over 5k, you could buy a flat for £20k. I experienced a lot of blatant discrimination of the bum pinching variety but still was steadily promoted.

Most 25 year old graduates in London, because yes the economy is London centric, are still living in student level rented accommodation or at home if it is within commuting distance even if they have managed to access well paid careers. One of the 25 year olds commutes I work with commutes from East Anglia. The pendulum of graduate reruitment has swung from merit based to connections based. Opportunities for those from a working class background have closed down and sexism is not overt but the number of women in well paid senior roles has gone backwards.

I find it deeply depressing because as a woman starting out in the 70s you could ride the unfairness with a sense of optimism, enjoy smashing through the ceilings. Now it seems as if it was for nothing.

Valentine,

'2. do you have any kind of data showing us that we will be able to make up for it? For example, at least 30-40% of our food requirements must be met by this stop-the-waste proposal. Which means that you believe we are wasting/overeating that much of our food nationally??!! shock'

I don't know, I believe that 3,000Kilocalories is the equivalent to one pound of fat deposited (approximately), so it would be an awful lot of mega (or giga or even tera?) calories saved if people ate the right amount!

Seriously, we are 60% self sufficient now (DEFRA). It is also estimated that if all arable land was put into food production, we could just be self sufficient. Clearly that 60% takes into account all the mangoes, sushi rice etc that we choose to import.

In addition, do we really need to be agriculturally 100% self sufficient just in case we are caught in a world war?! It seems quite an extreme scenario to me. I believe in the early 20th century we were down to 30% self sufficient.

Surferjet

Former work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith, who was in favour of Brexit, said we were leaving the "door open" to terrorist attacks by remaining in the EU. "This open border does not allow us to check and control people," he said

OK. The problem with IDS is... he's just not very clever.

The UK is not part of the Schengen zone. People's passports are being looked at in airports, ports... whatever. EU citizen or not. Who said this was not the case? There is no open border. People are checked.

How do you want to change this?