At last they get it!

[fryingtoday]

Channel 4 at last realise the huge Northern vote was not primarily about immigration but about the decades of politicians having ignored them ...

Let's see how long it takes everyone else to twig and really start to understand why.

e1y1 this government are against the poor.

I'm in the south and there are pockets of poverty that are terrible, it's not all sunshine and kittens down here.

Now we have handed even more power to the tories, yey.

Im living in one of those areas in the 'North'.
Wether voting as a protest vote or not was a good idea isn't the issue. The issue is why did they think it was the only way to make themselves heard?
These are areas so run down that they have got the same level of support from the EU than Romania. How can anyone in the UK (or as they would say 'down South') be happy knowing that some areas in the country are as poor as that? And still do nothing at all?
People there feel like they are treated like second class citizens. They feel like they don't count fur anything compare to the needs and wants from London.
Look at fracking from example. After the infamous comment about the 'North' being a desolate place anyway so it doesnt matter, what has happened? A company wants to go ahead with fracking. The population, the national park etc say no and use the systems in place to block it and .... The government intervenes, removes all the possible blocks so no kne can have a say and fracking is allowed. In the middle if the National park, area is outstanding Beaty s d all the rest of it.
How do you want those people not to feel forgotten and like the 'South' is looking down on them?

Note: I am not British si sctu

"People there feel like they are treated like second class citizens. They feel like they don't count fur anything compare to the needs and wants from London. "

London pays 30% of the tax in this country, it gets 11% of public spending and has 13% of the population, London gets far less than what it actually pays for.

I'm tired of listening to the "second class citizens" things, do you know what if you live in London you matter less than someone living in rural Cumbria, why? London voted to remain and votes Labour, we are leaving the EU and have a conservative government.

Do you know what? The fracking thing highlights it all, a lot of people want to stay where they are and have jobs created for them, then when you get something offered you don't want that. All these industrial towns ( and I'm from the north) which were built on a particular industry, people moved to work in these industries, but their descendants see it as their inalienable right for the work to be created for them, but jobs and industries that they want! Sunderland got Nissan, which is likely to move at least some of its production to the EU after it voted out so it didn't even matter.

London isn't an independent city state. It's the capital of a country.

I do think your tax figures for London are a bit skewed as obviously the largest proportion of high earners work in London. I would also say that there will be quite a few people who work for companies based I London but aren't actually living there.
You are right about the perception now a days that the work should come to the people not the other way around. My Fil moved from the south Wales valleys at the age of 14 with his older brother to find work in Northampton in the 30s. You don't hear of school leavers doing that sort of thing nowadays.

Which is why Elly it supports huge swathes of the rest of the country !

The tax figures cocory aren't off, to reach that figure corporation tax was dispersed evenly throughout the country because if we use corporation tax and where it was declared London's obviously goes far higher.

I

I wasn't thinking of corporate tax only personal tax.

people moved to work in these industries, but their descendants see it as their inalienable right for the work to be created for them,

Tied housing was far more prevalent in the past. It's almost impossible now to relocate without a substantial wad of money in the bank or a property to sell.

True, but there are a lot of young people I know who have money for cars and holidays but bemoan their lot when it comes to job op.

I'm not criticising the north or any of the areas that have suffered from deinidustrialisation just there does seem to be some elements of jealousy towards London and the "we don't get anything" mentality annoys me.

It's totally fair enough that London pays a lot out since we've been lucky to have opportunities and I feel we should have been been making more efforts as a country to move things like state functions, galleries etc out of London into northern cities to rebalance the country and its prosperity. But to be fair, it's London boroughs which have been voting Labour for years so one assumes that means those voters actually believe in wealth distribution? So what am I, a fairly left leaning Londoner who believes I should be paying quite high tax, meant to have done to be so awful to more deprived regions? That bit really confuses me a lot given the massive aggression towards London. Mind you, there seems to be massive aggression towards quite a range of groups who have sod all to do with deprivation in the uk. It's amazing irony that the one group who DID have a lot to do with it, the Tories, are now sitting so pretty. I really don't get people's mindsets!

You can't just take the museums and put them somewhere else, sadly that kind of redistribution simply doesn't work, the museums end up making less as less people go! People may come to the natural histroy museum as part of a London trip, but no one is going to go to Preston for the weekend just for the NHM, if you see what I mean.

The anger toward London is that when your area is getting hit with austerity it seems that London isn't. I've seen it in relatives in the North "That London gets all the spending" when as previously stated it pays far more in tax than it gets. I think people misunderstand the services that it is possible to deliver when you have such a large population living in high density and compare them to what is provided to much more sparesly populated areas. For example, the North East from the Scottish Border to the boundry of North Yorkshire and Cleveland has 2.6 million people, more than three times less than London's in a much larger area.

Governments in the past have done a lot of work moving public sector jobs out of London and the South East. It made financial sense - it was much easier to keep and train staff in those areas. What has happened in recent years? Tory Governments in particular seem to have decided that Civil servants are parasites and have been cutting back on those jobs.

What incidentally is happening with Tata steel?

Brexit made the takeover unlikely, access to the EU market is important.

I have lol at some those posts who are in effect ging on abut the fact that the 'North' is subsidised by the South and really isn;t allowed to complain about anything.
Which is then follows by 'what happened with Tata?' (And all the other heavy industry that has been finished in that area in the last 5 years - There is none left now)

I assume you are living in the South?

I do live in the south, but was born and brought up in the north and Wales. I for one haven't said anything about the North being subsidised by the south.
I am old enough to remember that before we were in the EEC industry was already disappearing from both places i.e. north and Wales.

The Tata steel question was genuine - it was all over the news and now post Referendum seems to have been forgotten, or at least by the political class.

I'm just back from two weeks in Ffestiniog in north wales - where the slate industry has been in its death throes for decades already but the town clings on. What would really make a difference to these deprived towns would be decent fast broadband, its installation funded by the taxpayer.

"I have lol at some those posts who are in effect ging on abut the fact that the 'North' is subsidised by the South and really isn;t allowed to complain about anything."

Its not that they are not allowed to complain, but the fact that the refrain is " we don't get anything" and that the idea is that London gets way more than everywhere else. Whilst I have pointed out that this is true, what I'm really saying is the situations are not comparable.