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At last they get it!

192 replies

fryingtoday · 07/07/2016 20:53

Channel 4 at last realise the huge Northern vote was not primarily about immigration but about the decades of politicians having ignored them ...

Let's see how long it takes everyone else to twig and really start to understand why.

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Destinysdaughter · 07/07/2016 22:50

And desperate and deceived.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 07/07/2016 22:50

Those asking how would leaving the EU help them

How has being in the EU helped them as they keep being told it has but they are not experiencing it

Many people saw a chance for a change and took it because nothing has changed for the good for years

Bearbehind · 07/07/2016 22:52

I can't comprehend that people don't understand that actions have consequences.

Nissan may very well leave the UK as they are only here as an inroad to the EU market- if we aren't in the EU then they need to be elsewhere.

We are are a net importer so are adversely affected by a low pound on balance.

What is positive so far?

Kummerspeck · 07/07/2016 22:54

I think just as there was a range of reasons for Remain, so there was a range of reasons for Leave. The media are running out of mileage in blaming the old, the non-voters, those without degrees, etc so are now trying to be superficially sympathetic but are still treating Leave voters like a freak show. Look at the poor Northerners, let's find some not terribly bright ones and broadcast snippets to make a new cliche!

The Adrian Chiles programme earlier this week and this report are just Brexit versions of those awful benefits programmes that aim to show people in a certain way

Bearbehind · 07/07/2016 22:57

How has being in the EU helped them as they keep being told it has but they are not experiencing it

The irony is that these areas are actually well supported by EU funding but people either don't know or choose not to acknowledge that fact.

The reality is sorting out this shitstorm is very likely to lead to things becoming much worse for the very people who decided to make a stand.

claig · 07/07/2016 22:57

'I can't comprehend that people don't understand that actions have consequences.'

The consequence most people wanted was to get out. It may not be what you want and Cameron can't understand it but that is democracy.

'What is positive so far?'

We are out of the EU which is what people wanted and the entire party system is in turmoil as stooges are resigning by the dozen and leadership elections are two a penny and the people caused it all.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 07/07/2016 23:03

But how?

Jobs and job security and a living wage

Bearbehind · 07/07/2016 23:07

We are out of the EU which is what people wante

No we are not.

The referendum was a non binding gathering of public opinion. It is a very very long way from being 'out of the EU'.

This 'democracy' bullshit is tiresome. It was a narrow margin based on lies and misinformation and no one has a clue where to go from here or what the future looks like.

Please explain how, if we do manage to extract ourselves from the EU, things will improve?

Can you really not see that the politicians who, in your opinion, have always looked after number 1, will continue to do just that, only this time it will be a lot harder so sorting out the woes of others will be even further down their list?

captainproton · 07/07/2016 23:09

My father was telling me about some local employer which had a 12 month+ order book that go bought out by a French company with zero orders. Locally it was strenuously opposed fearing they would be shutdown. Mandelson at the time said it was good to work with EU partners and would strengthen the business if the company was bought out. The company was bought out and closed down within a week. Same thing happened with Gordon Brown and some similar heavy industrial closure up north (steelworks?). A few bits of EU funded playground equipment and 'arty farty' cultural tat doesn't really make up for the loss of a heavy engineering and manufacturing base. But anyway people have a long memory especially as it's probably why your standard of living has collapsed. And poor northerners don't care I'm afraid, if you can't as easily flit about the continent or employ a cheap nanny. They don't mind seeing some of those people in London and the Home Counties who look down on their poor English relations have a taste of what it's like to lose their way of life. It'll be diddums to us.

It's a protest for sure, my father also lives near that Sports Direct warehouse says the locals refuse to work there because it's slave labour and only EU migrants are willing to be exploited to do so. I think people feel just as strongly about immigrants being exploited as much as the 'where are they going to live?' Question.

A vote to leave was the only way northerners could get the message to Westminster, FPTP does not help.

This mess is not the fault of anyone but the politicians who were so arrogant and out of touch that they believed that they could walk this referendum. I truly felt letdown when in the final week or so of campaigning we had, Eddie Izzard in a pink beret, Bob Geldoff shouting at fishermen who have lost livelihoods, a warmonger PM, and an uncharismatic PM calling people bigots taking the fight to the people. Seriously was that all they could muster? Where the hell was May? If she's so flipping amazing why didn't she turn up for those debates instead of us having to listen Sturgeon and that whining woman who darent stand up to Jeremy (I secretly wanted to Brexit) Corbyn. Jesus wept. You got to give it to the Leave camp they put more effort in, don't blame the northern or elderly electorate for this state of affairs.

Well 2 things are now going to happen 1) Brexit will be a total disaster 2) somehow on a wing and a prayer we'll muddle our way out of it. But I doubt it will be 2).

I also reckon Leadsom will become PM, you only have to look at the Labour Party to realise that the ordinary members are not always willing to be whipped into supporting who the MPs want o take over.

DH said Leadsom comes across like your mum running for PM. I reckon there is something in that, perhaps I should go down the bookies.

Bearbehind · 07/07/2016 23:09

Jobs and job security and a living wage

Where, in the Leave campaign, was any of that promised?

Who has mentioned it since?

How is leaving the EU going to ensure that?

Valentine2 · 07/07/2016 23:10

claig
You talk like that and after reading your "arguments" I just can't see why media shouldn't label the Leave voters being ignorant of ground realism ties and facts.
You wanted out of EU? Fine we are out. Do you really are this deluded that you actually believe we the people pay Cameron et al to do their job of planning for them? Tell me then: Cameron didn't work for you so you dismissed him via EU Leave vote, right? Are you totally sure he left because he was dismissed by you the people? Who will make sure the next PM actually works for you?

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 07/07/2016 23:14

It's a chance people took

They don't have that now so why not take that gamble

I can totally understand why people feel that way

Margrethe · 07/07/2016 23:17

This 'democracy' bullshit is tiresome.

What would you prefer to democracy?

Bearbehind · 07/07/2016 23:19

It's a chance people took

They don't have that now so why not take that gamble

Because there is and never was any intimation that leaving the EU would change those things.

In fact the opposite is true.

MelanieCheeks · 07/07/2016 23:19

Craig:
"What is positive so far?'

We are out of the EU which is what people wanted and the entire party system is in turmoil as stooges are resigning by the dozen and leadership elections are two a penny and the people caused it all."

Please explain to me how this is positive.

Bearbehind · 07/07/2016 23:21

People voting on something as a protest against something totally different is hardly an advert for a democratic system.

RockandRollsuicide · 07/07/2016 23:25

How is leaving the EU going to ensure that?

I wonder how many times people read or hear - wages under cut, hmo's it will ever take for you to understand that a whole generation has been wiped out by EU competition.

Wages have been undercut and job security for the poorest has gone.

his 'democracy' bullshit is tiresome. It was a narrow margin based on lies and misinformation and no one has a clue where to go from here or what the future looks like

You can keep saying this over and over again on tons of threads.

It was a huge voter turn out and from people who do not usually vote. This was an issue of key importance to them.

There was in fact many good and bad debates around before the vote, as well as good and bad info from BOTH sides in all media and everywhere.

If you had been truly interested you would have been following all of this and know it already.

RockandRollsuicide · 07/07/2016 23:25

Protest vote or the only vote, the only choice.

Bearbehind · 07/07/2016 23:30

There was in fact many good and bad debates around before the vote, as well as good and bad info from BOTH sides in all media and everywhere.

If you had been truly interested you would have been following all of this and know it already.

Why can't any leave voters answer the bloody question?

I did and continue to closely follow the situation and have yet to hear a convincing case for Leave, let alone a protest vote.

If this issue was of such importance to those who protested, surely someone can explain what will actually improve for them now.

twofingerstoGideon · 07/07/2016 23:37

What is the point of a protest vote when you are effectively cutting off your nose to spite your face?

user1466690252 · 07/07/2016 23:42

news.sky.com/story/norway-sees-brexit-vote-as-a-leap-of-faith-10495070

This is interesting. Last paragraph especially. The more im reading the ore i think it was such a stupid decision. It was too big for us ro make really

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 07/07/2016 23:46

That investment will happen in their areas that provides jobs

That there will be less compition for skilled and unskilled positions allowing workers to have a little more control

That some areas will not have the ongoing high numbers of people moving into the area where services are already stretched

Less red tape often problematic for small business

Farmers able to have more control over who they sell too and what hey produce

All this talk about how good the EU is, it only seems benefit a few people it hasn't made our lives any better things are getting harder

Of course you can argue against them all and I am sure you will not be convinced in anyway but these are some of the reasons I have read why people voted leave

Destinysdaughter · 07/07/2016 23:51

But if we weren't in the EU surely a lot of these things would be happening anyway?

Destinysdaughter · 07/07/2016 23:53

And what does 'red tape' mean anyway?

Maternity rights and rights for part time workers? ( often women ).

Marmitelover55 · 07/07/2016 23:53

Andrea Leadsom has said she doesn't believe in maternity pay or minimum wage for small companies - how is that going to benefit the people? We are going to get a very right wing government who doesn't give a fuck about human rights. I can't see tax credits carrying on. These are the people who will suffer most unfortunately.