Why are Leave voters afraid of a second referendum? Don't they trust the results?

[MrsJackAubrey]

If you really believe in democracy and that the Leave vote was the will of the people, then surely you will be confident that a second referendum would have exactly the same outcome?

But Leavers aren't, are they - they're terrified of a second referendum because they know that the results would be Remain.

From which we can infer that there is actually a real lack of depth, of meaning, in the Leave vote, given that it would be overturned in a second referendum. Which totally supports the view that there should be a second referendum.

[babybythesea]

Bloody iPad autocorrect again. Made a mess of what I posted. Hopefully it still makes enough sense to decipher what I meant.

[RosesareSublime]

so much focus on the lies peddled by leave, not so much about lies peddled by remain, and the great mess that is the EU.

You think people have been somehow taken in by the muddy road leading to the castle. NO they are looking the bloody castle, its crumbling.

[user1467101855]

so much focus on the lies peddled by leave, not so much about lies peddled by remain

Except the lies from Leave were both outrageous, and caused the epic mess you're in now.

Your point is like saying "Why are you focusing on the bullet in your head, and not on the graze on your knee?"

[user1467101855]

The biggest issue with a second referendum is the damage a further period of uncertainty would do. Quite simply the best option now is to stop hand wringing and get on with building a successful, independent EU. Because despite the biased analysis of the remain camp there are options out there.

Freudian slip there? Did you mean UK rather than EU?

[HelpfulChap]

If Remain had won, obviously the focus would be more on thier lies, they didn't so they have become academic.

[Topseyt]

Article 50 should never be invoked. We should procrastinate forever on that.

Technically, an advisory referendum is not legally binding. I don't think enough was made of that before the votes were cast.

[P1nkP0ppy]

There won't be a second referendum so get used to it op.

[starry0ne]

I think the problem is there were lies on both side..For some asking for a second referendum seem to based on the leave lied..They all lied this is why so many people really didn't know which way to vote.
We were not treated as people who could make our own mind up if given the facts and I have seen no evidence it would be different next time.. This is what really does need addressing.
As for the stats of amount that voted..Turn out was higher than a general election and no one says turn out so low lets redo.

[user1467101855]

There won't be a second referendum so get used to it op

It's as likely as anything else, as the gobshites flail around for anything to hang on to. Theresa May was a remain supporter, if she gets the nod what makes you think she won't try and turn it all around?

[Lindy2]

Are you Nicola Sturgeon? She seems to have the same understanding of democracy as you. If you don't get the result that you personally want keep going on and on about doing it again.
A second referendum would not be a democratic thing to do.

[ImGoingToTeabagYourDrumKitDale]

I'm a remain vote, call a second and I'll vote leave. Overturning a democratic advisory referendum because you don't like the answer is absurd.

[Kummerspeck]

Politics has always been about who can tell the best lies! Both sides lied and, contrary to what some think, most people do not believe everything they are told. I work in a deprived area which voted out by a large margin and many of the people there, despite their lack of degrees, are more than capable of discerning arguments and reasoning.

I'm in the camp that thinks we have to press ahead for several reasons:

1. This is democracy. Winston Churchill said democracy is a dreadful system but the alternatives are even worse and I think it is appropriate here
   
2. We cannot attach conditions like %ge turnout needed or majority needed after the vote. It should have been thought of before, as should have been a neutral commission to oversee it, plus General Elections often give us governments on a lower percentage of lower turnouts. Will we open the door to challenging all of those?
   
3. If this referendum is ignored where do we stop? Best of 3? Or is it just until those who shout loudest get their way?
   
4. If we backtrack now the EU will push us into a worse deal to punish us for this
   
5. The ongoing uncertainty as mentioned above. How long do we tolerate that?
   
6. To me this is the most serious. I think it would do irreparable damage to the country to overrule what was presented to us as a vote for everyone on the grounds that some people think they know better. In effect the votes of some are worth more than others. The country is already seriously divided (rich/poor, North/South) and I think this would make it far worse
   
   This really comes down to the hubris of Cameron and the elites who offered this referendum never dreaming they could lose it. They ran a poor campaign, didn't target the areas they needed to win people over in, failed to plan for eventualities and resigned rather than work through the mess they created

[user1467101855]

If you don't get the result that you personally want keep going on and on about doing it again

Works perfectly well in Ireland. Treaty of Nice, for example, rejected by a small margin. Negotiations, amendment, referendum again and accepted. All properly regulated by a commission who stops politicians telling lies and messing around, all very democratic.
Far more democratic country altogether, you really should take some lessons!

[buckingfrolicks]

I think the OP is querying the logic not the lies etc.

If democracy works then logically a second referendum would have the same result as the first. In any referendum not just this one

And if a second referendum did have a different result, which one is the real will of the people, if "the people" change their collective minds?

[twofingerstoGideon]

There is nothing democratic about the process that we've just been through as it was built on lies.
Q: Would you like to leave the EU? Will give you all a million pounds and the sun will shine every day.
Everyone jumps up and down with excitement except the doubters who fall for 'Project Fear'...
People vote yes.
Haha! There was no million pounds and we can't control the weather after all...
The whole thing has been a travesty.

[Lindy2]

These posts always seem to assume remain would win of we voted again. I don't know any out voters that have any doubts about their choice and who would vote differently.
I am in fact even more certain that the EU is no happy union at all. It is oppresive, undemocratic, probably corrupt and failing. We have to get out. It won't be a smooth ride but often the right path isn't the easiest. There's a lot more world out there then the EU.

[RortyCrankle]

Of course there won't be a second referendum. Would you have whined for a second one if Remain won? Of course you wouldn 't. It's pathetic.

[EmpressofBlandings]

I voted Remain, but I am genuinely interested in knowing what lies Leavers heard in the Remain campaign. I heard plenty of exaggeration, and a lot of things that were poorly explained, but I don't know what the lies are that have been mentioned on this thread. Can anyone explain?

[Chupachupslips]

DC said there would be no Ref.2 so I fail to see what the use this thread is - only to encourage more back biting.

It needs to stop. Both sides are as bad as each other now and it's really unhealthy.

[Thefuturecouldbebright]

I agree Rorty, but apparently tying yourself up in knots, sinking into a deep depression and demanding something that will never happen is the most productive fashionable thing to do at the moment.

I really do think its time for people to start to come to terms with reality, for the sake of the UK and the sake of their own sanity.

Falling out with friends and family, crying yourself to sleep, taking tiny tarquin and a quinoa luncheon to a pointless and potentially violent protest gets you nowhere. By all means, keep throwing your energy into it if thats how you feel, but at least try to understand the futility of it all and begin to face up to life as it stands today.

Standing by for flaming. 🚒🚒🚒

[user1467101855]

Of course there won't be a second referendum. Would you have whined for a second one if Remain won? Of course you wouldn 't. It's pathetic

No but you would have!

DC said there would be no Ref.2 so I fail to see what the use this thread is

DC quit, so who cares what he said?

[PortiaCastis]

Refernda could go on for ever if people don't like the result

[Chupachupslips]

user I noticed you posting this morning and they were goady posts too.

Have a and chill out its weekend

[user1467101855]

No goady posts from me. Just sensible questions. How about stop giving out to me and start answering a simple question.

(and there are loads of us user1467etcetc about, so I doubt it was me anyway)

[Asprilla11]

Did someone ask for an example of a 'Remain' lie?

Easy. The Government (using taxpayers money) used the apparently 'independent' Treasury (who work for the government) to produce leaflets with so called 'FACTS' in them.

One of these for example was: "Every household in the UK will be £4300 pounds worse off annually, a few years of leaving the EU"

In reality the Treasury did not only not look at this objectively, they lied. Their 'costings' were based entirely on figures and sums that they estimated would be correct in the following years. What they didn't admit was it included no new trade deals. Independent experts (see we do listen to them) have confirmed there is no way the Government could predict those future figures let alone come up with that final figure. They lied and tried to scare the public.

Every leave voter I knew used independent fact checking websites. We did not believe the poster on the bus, considering most people didn't see it! Nor do the Labour supporters who voted Leave believe a single word out of Boris, Gove or Farage's mouths, they are hated by most of us! That means we had to check what was true ourselves.

£350 million per week (that could all go to the NHS, not WILL) was really less than £200 million but at least it used known figures and just stretched them rather than invented them.

The £4300 worse off per household was based purely on guesswork and excluded future improvements.

All Politicians lie, whatever the party. Manifesto's are full of pledges, you could say promises to spend x amount on this and x amount on that, but when it comes down to it, many promises are scrapped or downgraded.